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To: JohnM who wrote (71602)2/5/2003 8:35:52 PM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
And the cause of that problem is Bush. Well and his neoconservative buddies. Had they done the PR portion of their work better, France would not be able to play that role in public opinion


You are beginning to sound like Democratic version of the "Clinton Haters" in 98, John. And no amount of "PR" would have changed the outcome. I think you will agree that we have not had a much better advocate of the US position in place than Powell. But he can't sell a position to the French that the French refuse to buy. China and Russia are not part of Europe and NATO, and are not expected to be on our side. The French are the ones that everyone points to.

But in order to have an invasion, the Bush folk have to have a significant portion of the country supporting them.

That's right. And they do. And after Powell's performance, they have even a bigger majority with them. I know this is hard for you to swallow, but the polls show it's true.

Let's face it. They will never get the liberal commentators or the liberal media to support them, no matter what they do.

Hard work for Powell. Particularly if Bush keeps popping off. (Just threw that one in to get you a bit steamed.)

Hey, it's Powell's job to bring them around. And I am not steamed, you "Bush Hater" you! :>)



To: JohnM who wrote (71602)2/5/2003 8:37:57 PM
From: LindyBill  Respond to of 281500
 
Steyn did a "Special" for NRO. And his last paragraph on Al Qaeda is correct.

February 5, 2003, 1:45 p.m.
Just Like Monica
Powell speaks to the frivolous.

By Mark Steyn

A few days ago, I said this thing was getting like Monica: by the time you're in Year Two, no smoking gun is ever quite smoking enough. It's perfectly obvious from Colin Powell's presentation what's going on. Ten minutes before the flatfoots show up, the bootleg liquor is whisked away, replaced by teacups and the gaming table gets dropped through the trapdoor and replaced by an ornamental fountain. If you think Saddam Hussein is a lovable rogue ? as Mr. Chirac does ? this is all part of a grand ongoing comedy, to which the French and Russians made their own exquisite contribution by proposing to strengthen the monitoring regime by doubling the number of inspectors, etc., etc., etc., ad infinitum. If the Powell evidence made anything plain, it's this: The idea of "monitoring" a dictator is ludicrous. Saddam is quite happy to participate for another decade or two in an eternal ongoing U.N. field study of dictatorship.

Resolution 1441, painstakingly negotiated by General Powell and French Foreign Minister de Villepin, was never a test of Saddam. It was a test of the U.N. The faxed-in boilerplate responses to the Powell presentation couldn't have been clearer.

France: "They raise questions which deserve further investigation?."
China: "We support the continuation of inspections?."
"Russia welcomes the continuation of dialogue?. We hope that this dialogue will be extremely concrete?. The Security Council may need to adopt a new resolution, and perhaps more than one?."

Four, five, nine, there's always room for one more. You got the feeling that if they could have dragged out their expressions of condolences regarding the space shuttle for the full seven minutes, they'd have been happy to do so.

This is serious business. The U.S. and British remarks were sober and credible. The French, Russian, and Chinese were frivolous. The most relevant observation was Powell's assertion of al Qaeda's presence in Iraq for the last eight months. If that's accurate, it's not a U.N. matter, it's a threat to America's national security. Which shouldn't be dependent on the whims of the French veto.

? Mark Steyn is a columnist for Britain's Daily Telegraph and Canada's National Post. His website is www.marksteyn.com. A collection of some of his post-9/11 columns, The Face of the Tiger has just been released and can be ordered here.



To: JohnM who wrote (71602)2/6/2003 2:33:14 AM
From: KLP  Respond to of 281500
 
From your NYT for 2-6-03: Intelligence Break Led U.S. to Tie Envoy Killing to Iraqi Qaeda Cell
By PATRICK E. TYLER
February 6, 2003

nytimes.com

NITED NATIONS, Feb. 5 — An intelligence breakthrough in the last several weeks made it possible for Secretary of State Colin L. Powell to set forth the first evidence of what he said was a well developed cell of Al Qaeda operating out of Baghdad that was responsible for the assassination of the American diplomat Laurence Foley last October.

The breakthrough was the work of a coalition of intelligence services from the United States, Britain, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, according to a senior official from one of the coalition countries.

The Qaeda network based in Iraq has operated for the last eight months under the supervision of Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian of Palestinian origin who is also a veteran of the Afghan war against the former Soviet Union, Mr. Powell said.

Critical information about the network emerged from interrogations of captured cell members conducted under unspecified circumstances of psychological pressure, the coalition official said. But a lucky break also figured prominently — a satellite phone conversation gave away the location of a Qaeda operative, Mr. Zarqawi's deputy, driving out of Iraq.

Until about three weeks ago, Mr. Powell was said to be reluctant to go before the Security Council with a case connecting Al Qaeda with the Iraqi leadership. "Colin did not want to be accused of fabricating or stretching the truth," a coalition official said.

That all changed, the official said, when the interrogation of Mr. Zarqawi's deputy began to yield the first detailed account of the network's operations in Iraq, the Middle East and Europe.


The network was planning terrorist attacks in a half dozen European countries, Mr. Powell said, adding that recent police raids in France and Britain, where one police officer was killed, stem from the disruption of the Iraq-based network. About 116 operatives have been connected to it, he said.

When all the shards of intelligence came together today, along with new information on Iraq's secret programs to develop chemical, biological and nuclear weapons, Mr. Powell's presentation was a more detailed and well-documented bill of particulars than many had expected.

Mr. Powell said that after Mr. Zarqawi fought against the Soviets, he returned to Afghanistan at the peak of Mr. bin Laden's influence in 2000 and ran a training camp. His leg injury during the allied military campaign in 2001 may have been serious enough for amputation by the time he reached Baghdad.

An expert in poisons and chemical weapons, Mr. Zarqawi is believed to have been providing training to the extremist group Ansar al-Islam. The group is based in northeastern Iraq in territory that is neither under the control of the Baghdad regime nor the main Kurdish groups that have divided up most of northern Iraq.

Soon after Mr. Zarqawi arrived, Mr. Powell said, "nearly two dozen extremists converged on Baghdad and established a base of operations there."

He continued, "These Al Qaeda affiliates, based in Baghdad, now coordinate the movement of people, money and supplies into and throughout Iraq for his network, and they are now operating freely in the capital for more than eight months."

Coalition officials said that no group could operate in this manner without deep engagement with Iraq's ubiquitous intelligence services.


Mr. Powell withheld some critical details today, like the discovery by the intelligence agencies that a member of the royal family in Qatar, an important ally providing air bases and a command headquarters for the American military, operated a safe house for Mr. Zarqawi when he transited the country going in and out of Afghanistan.

The Qatari royal family member was Abdul Karim al-Thani, the coalition official said. The official added that Mr. al-Thani provided Qatari passports and more than $1 million in a special bank account to finance the network.

Mr. al-Thani, who has no government position, is, according to officials in the gulf, a deeply religious member of the royal family who has provided charitable support for militant causes for years and has denied knowing that his contributions went toward terrorist operations.

Private support from prominent Qataris to Al Qaeda is a sensitive issue that is said to infuriate George J. Tenet, the director of central intelligence. After the Sept. 11 attacks, another senior Qaeda operative, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, who may have been the principal planner of the assault on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, was said by Saudi intelligence officials to have spent two weeks in late 2001 hiding in Qatar, with the help of prominent patrons, after he escaped from Kuwait.

But with Qatar providing the United States military with its most significant air operations center for action against Iraq, the Pentagon has cautioned against a strong diplomatic response from Washington, American and coalition officials say.

The issue of whether Al Qaeda's terror network is linked with Iraq had been a contentious part of the debate over the justification for war. Some experts have sought to undermine the Bush administration's rationale for war by asking how a war against Iraq relates to the Sept. 11 terror attacks. The administration's theory is that the threat from Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction could merge with the large-scale terror tactics of Al Qaeda to pose an unacceptable threat.

The unraveling of the Qaeda story in Iraq, still under way, took on some of the drama of an espionage thriller when, following the murder of Mr. Foley, the Qaeda deputy to Mr. Zarqawi suffered a lapse of communications discipline, a coalition official said. As he drove across northern Iraq to the Turkish and Syrian frontiers, he could not resist using his satellite phone to call Mr. Foley's murderers to congratulate them and to tell them he was on his way to meet with them.

"The captured assassin says his cell received money and weapons from Zarqawi for that murder," Mr. Powell said. In December, Jordan said it had two men in custody who had confessed to killing Mr. Foley on the instructions of Mr. Zarqawi.


Western intelligence is withholding the name of the captured Zarqawi deputy. However, they swiftly detected the satellite phone signal and tracked the operative to Syria and then into Turkey, where he was arrested and transported to one of the interrogation centers that the C.I.A. is operating in the region.

The decision to identify Mr. Zarqawi, still at large in Iraq, as the leader of a Qaeda cell will put his life in jeopardy because Mr. Hussein has insisted that Baghdad has no links with Osama bin Laden's network.

"A half hour after Powell mentioned his name, I'll wager he disappears or is killed," said a coalition official, recalling the death in Baghdad in 2001 of the Palestinian terrorist Abu Nidal, after intelligence reports suggested than he might be activating his own terrorist network.