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To: TimF who wrote (160218)	2/6/2003 4:03:40 PM
From: i-node	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1579682

"There can never be a good white boxer (or black hockey player or whatever)" is racist. Saying "blacks tend to be better boxers", or "most good boxers tend to be black", is not racist if the facts back you up. You are considered racist making a statement such as "whites tend to be better students than blacks, and Asians tend to be better students than whites", even when the facts clearly support your position (you may remember the book "The Bell Curve" from maybe 8-10 years ago. The authors were totally worked over in the media while the science was good. amazon.com

To: TimF who wrote (160218)	2/6/2003 10:04:33 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1579682

There are genetic differences between people but there are not any significant genetic differences between races. There are genetic differences that control skin color, hair color, eye color, tendencies to height and weight, to a lesser extend facial features. I don't think those are the only differences. I think most of the genetic differences are so small that they are not significant when thinking about one person and what he or she might be able to do (the differences between people of any ancestral group are much larger then the differences between groups for the most part) but they do lead to overall trends where one group has more of some ability then another. On top of the genetic differences there are cultural and other differences that make some groups more likely to be good at certain things then other groups. If you have total fairness and no racism you still will not get proportional representation in most areas. Tell me.......is your info anecdotal or do you have facts to back it up. If you don't, then there is no reason to be having this discussion. To my knowledge, they have never proven scientifically that blacks have better rhythm; that whites are inherently better at broom hockey and that there is a genetic reason why blacks have more 'soul' than whites. My point is that things viewed anecdotally are not always what they seem to be. The things that make one group better than another group tend to be culture driven, not genetic. I think some of them are both. Could be.......but until you have facts to back up your position and I have to rely on the majority of the experts say. Frankly, this is racist talk and its best you figure out why it is. Is truth a defense against the charge of racism? Or is even pointing out actual differences between people still racist even if it is true? Are you speaking truth or passing down gossip? I think applying it to an indvidual would be racist. Saying that Bob can not play basketball because he is white, or John can not play hockey because he is black would be racist (and flase as well). But saying that more good basketball players are black and more good hockey players are white is not. Well, then, let me take it one step further, whites are more successful in school because they are more evolved and are better in business because they are smarter.......not individually but as a group. If you look around you see a lot more successful white people in business, and certainly the white kids got better grades than the black kids in the school I went to. So what do you say.....do you agree? Tim this stuff (groups tending to vote certain ways) has been known for decades. Read carefully. I wasn't disputing that groups tend to vote in certain ways that are different from other groups. This isn't limited to racial groups. Men vote differently then women, wealthy people vote differently then the middle class who vote differently then the poor. People in cities vote differently then people in the suburbs who vote differently then people in rural areas. None of this makes any of them any less an individual or means that they should be treated mainly as a member of a group. I am confused......what point are you trying to make? ted