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To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (72243)	2/8/2003 3:39:22 AM
From: William B. Kohn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

and Jordan is going to agree to a million Fatah, Hamas, and Islmaic Jihad maniac's in his territory to further weaken his government???? How many lives do you think Israel would lose to terror in your six month period, if they agreed, a hundred?, a thousand?, ten thousand, how many? Sounds like a suicide plan for Israel. That is all!

To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (72243)	2/8/2003 11:40:25 AM
From: carranza2	Respond to of 281500

There was an interesting article in Foreign Affairs a few issues ago concerning a variant of the imposed peace scheme you suggest. The idea does not appear to be a particularly popular one, though it seems to have some merit. Look for the article, I think you'll find it stimulating.

To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (72243)	2/8/2003 11:47:48 AM
From: michael97123	Respond to of 281500

Jacob, After thinking about your original post again and reading the excellent message swap between you and Nadine, i have come to a new conclusion. Since there is no one in Palestine to make this peace, the peace needs to be made between Israel and the Arab states--Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, New Iraq and Syria. Those states should get a UN mandate to run day to day affairs in Palestine with Major US/Western aid including police, but with no military capability. This plan makes a big assumption about Syria and New Iraq, not to mention Saudi Arabia. But as i think about it, the assumptions are even greater that there will ever be Palestinians to negotiate with. Mike

To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (72243)	2/8/2003 9:19:29 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Agreed. That's exactly what I propose. If the Palestinians don't stop all violence, give up the Right of Return, and help shut down organizations like Hamas that won't make a compromise peace, then (after a 6-month interval to give it a chance to work), Sharon gets everything he wants, we back him without reserve, and the Palestinians lose their last chance to get a State west of the Jordan River. Sounds just like the Oslo accords. However, as we have seen, the pressure to keep the accords "alive" no matter what follows, is immense. "Arafat is a partner for peace" was the cry (never mind - take your pick - gangsterism, extortion, incitement, massive corruption, winking at Hamas and PIJ, outright funding of terror). Just as so many cry now "But Saddam is cooperating with inspections", when it is patently obvious that he is doing no such thing. How long did it take for Bush to stop talking to Arafat? and that was only because Bush is a hawk. If it were up to the State Department or the Europeans, Arafat would still be getting the red carpet treatment as a "partner for peace" no matter how many suicide bombings he ordered. There is no trust involved. Both sides have to be willing to compromise, or they get punished. Nah, the basic package is assymetrical. Israel gives the land - a tangible item - for peace - an intangible item. There has to be trust involved. For the Palestinians, trust that Israel will honor the terms of the deal; for the Israelis, trust that the Palestinians won't see the deal as a phase in phased plan of destroying Israel. Most Israelis firmly believe that Arafat signed Oslo as such a ruse from day one. Remember, soon after the accords were signed, Arafat himself compared them to the Treaty of Hudaibiyah, a peace treat that Mohammed made with the Qureish and broke as soon as he was in a stronger position. The late Faisal Husseini compared Oslo to the Trojan Horse, and the intifada to the coming down of warriors from the horse. That is why Arafat will never see such a deal again.