To: Elizabeth Andrews who wrote (3668 ) 2/10/2003 4:56:40 AM From: d:oug Respond to of 4051 o pleeeeeeeeeease girl, you "Get clear on this, please." . If i remember correctly, you seem to be at odds with the Silicon Investor member gold_tutor (aka o49r) based on her attitude etc etc, and funny that is since her example, love it or hate it as few feel any middle ground, her example which you seem to have a distaste for fits like a glove to your understanding of what are "The Facts of Life." and we must assume that you, like all, obey this "Calling of Human Nature." [start.] Message from Elizabeth Andrews If you are looking for purity, it doesn't exist due to the horrible fact that man[and woman] is ultimately driven by self interest. If you own you promote. Few can own and be down and not promote. If you're in the game you own....[stop.] . But then your following comments make my babble look logical :o) . "Right now you're seeing the pristine part of an up cycle in a commodity market. The ugly of the last tech market is in the headlines as the fraud charges mount." . My view is that "the pristine & ugly" or "up cycle & fraud charges" are not parts that those like you place together like round pegs into square holes and call it the total package, but represent life as one unit that exist as a whole, just being a continuation of what one can describe as the mainstream populacs being clueless and based on their t.v. watching the CNBC stuff "learn" what is and is not, and where they are "in the scream of things." . To me the most normal and correct human being with be the combination of o49r + E. Charters into a single being that would be able to switch between being male & female and exhibit powerful versions of each, with a little help from the "other side" in secret :o) so that he/she would have a unit able to tell everyone else in your "purity" sense that "What you see & hear & get is exactually what is there." plus, a Rarebird type honestly (from Erica) that will not lie to itself. . For sure it would not have stuff like your " The same thing probably could happen to Claude and the others..." that makes absolutely no sense no matter which way its viewed at. a.k.a. your emotions placed into words doug the akak