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Politics : Foreign Policy Discussion Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: michael97123 who wrote (3783)	2/12/2003 10:49:49 AM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 15987

does europe want to see a new world order with an America retreating once again to isolationism which is what the result will be? Isolationism is not the direction we are headed in. 911 won't let us do that. What Europe is facing is a new world order in which America does things without paying much attention to what France and Germany want. "Ask not what the world thinks of us. Rather, ask what we think of the world!"

To: michael97123 who wrote (3783)	2/12/2003 11:14:20 AM
From: Thomas A Watson	Respond to of 15987

Mike first, thank's for pointing me to this thread. But how and why I am here is also a basis of my reasoning against THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN. On that other thread, I believe I exposed really dumb logic. I made fun of the author of that logic. I exposed the character of the author of that logic by his actions. This I laughingly call my fault detector post. #reply-18569405 I was not a poster for long on that thread. But my interaction their and what I saw seemed phony often. So how does this relate. There are times when you have to draw a line in the sand and see where people stand. America is the can do place. America really needs no help and rebuilding anywhere. This current piece from Cal Thomas sums up the real state of the world. It time to confront, expose and destroy the enemies. And half ass consensus is a waste of time. jewishworldreview.com My child is an Engineer. One month ago my child was designing buildings. The last was a skating rink. My child is nowt commanding a company of Engineers and sitting waiting to be deployed. I don't want my child in harms way. But I also don't want my child and thousands of other Americans wasting their time while socialist sludge play games for whatever. From Cal Thomas. What other nation rebuilds and reconciles with its enemies like the United States? Radical Islamists claim the United States oppresses Muslims around the world, but this is a clever lie to divert the attention of the oppressed from their real oppressors -- political and religious dictators who wish to remain in power and have access to life's goodies, while denying the same to others in order to keep them under their control. They add to their oppression a vision of an angry, vengeful god who needs corrupt human beings to impose his will by force and to murder anyone who can be labeled an "infidel," which is to say everyone -- even Muslims -- who do not subscribe to their doctrine of serial assassinations, terrorism and the dehumanizing of women. Some worry of a "wider war" if we attack Iraq. We are already in that wider war. The question is, will we recognize it now, or will we be forced to realize it later after more of us are killed? If a killer is coming after you, it's better to intercept him before he gets to your door. This war will not be settled by diplomats or friendly persuasion. It will not be won with promises of aid. The people who hate us have been whipped into frenzy by Arab and Muslim "educators," editorial writers, cartoonists, political leaders and clergy whose venom is as poisonous to the mind and spirit as the ricin they are producing in clandestine labs to use against us. How much more must we tolerate before we strike at the evil coming from abroad and root out the dangers among us? No more, says the Bush administration as it contemplates expansion of the USA Patriot Act to allow the government broad new powers to increase domestic intelligence-gathering and surveillance. This may the most difficult war we have ever fought, because the front line is less on a foreign battlefield than it is in our will. For a few, no amount of dead Americans will be enough to warrant an all-out war abroad and resolving the problem at home. But for the vast majority, who may soon see -- if there are more terrorist attacks -- just how serious the threat to our way of life has become, we are going to have to rally ourselves as our ancestors did during the American Revolution.