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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: James Calladine who wrote (14847)2/12/2003 9:31:04 PM
From: 2MAR$  Respond to of 28931
 
Here;s nice poem for latter winter's rainy night's contemplation ...for you , for greg throwing his pots upon the wheel , and Solon and others i always liked...enjoy:
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Essay on Man
by Alexander Pope

The First Epistle (an excerpt from farther down to the end )

Awake, my ST. JOHN!(1) leave all meaner things
To low ambition, and the pride of Kings.....

IX. What if the foot, ordain'd the dust to tread,
Or hand to toil, aspir'd to be the head?
What if the head, the eye, or ear repin'd(27)
To serve mere engines to the ruling Mind?
Just as absurd, to mourn the tasks or pains
The great directing MIND of ALL ordains.
All are but parts of one stupendous whole,
Whose body, Nature is, and God the soul;
That, chang'd thro' all, and yet in all the same,
Great in the earth, as in th' ethereal frame,
Warms in the sun, refreshes in the breeze,
Glows in the stars, and blossoms in the trees,
Lives thro' all life, extends thro' all extent,
Spreads undivided, operates unspent,
Breathes in our soul, informs our mortal parts,
As full, as perfect, in a hair as heart;
As full, as perfect, in vile Man that mourns,
As the rapt Seraph that adores and burns;
To him no high, no low, no great, no small;
He fills, he bounds, connects, and equals all.

X. Cease then, nor ORDER Imperfection name:
Our proper bliss depends on what we blame.
Know thy own point: This kind, this due degree
Of blindness, weakness, Heav'n bestows on thee.
Submit -- In this, or any other sphere,
Secure to be as blest as thou canst bear:
Safe in the hand of one disposing Pow'r,
Or in the natal, or the mortal hour.
All Nature is but Art, unknown to thee;
All Chance, Direction, which thou canst not see;
All Discord, Harmony, not understood;
All partial Evil, universal Good:
And, spite of Pride, in erring Reason's spite,
One truth is clear, "Whatever IS, is RIGHT."


Argument of the Second Epistle:

(Of the Nature and State of Man, with respect to Himself, as an Individual. The business of Man not to pry into God, but
to study himself.)

Know then thyself, presume not God to scan;
The proper study of Mankind is Man.

Plac'd on this isthmus of a middle state,(28)
A being darkly wise, and rudely great:
With too much knowledge for the Sceptic side,
With too much weakness for the Stoic's pride,
He hangs between; in doubt to act, or rest,
In doubt to deem himself a God, or Beast;
In doubt his Mind or Body to prefer,
Born but to die, and reas'ning but to err;
Alike in ignorance, his reason such,
Whether he thinks too little, or too much:
Chaos of Thought and Passion, all confus'd;
Still by himself abus'd, or disabus'd;
Created half to rise, and half to fall;
Great lord of all things, yet a prey to all;
Sole judge of Truth, in endless Error hurl'd:
The glory, jest, and riddle of the world!



To: James Calladine who wrote (14847)2/13/2003 2:53:18 AM
From: Solon  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 28931
 
"Each of us is just arguing that our view is right. It's just an aspect of ordinary egoic existence.

This is a pointless exercise. In my experience, God has NOTHING to do with IDEAS about God. God has to be experienced PERSONALLY, has to be LIVED, PERSONALLY.
"

You're right, I suppose. If you truly know who/what God is and THAT God is, then there is really no point in any of us arguing about the existence of God or the Nature of God. We can simply sit back and allow you to pass on to us the TRUTH as you have had it revealed to you by your God/Guru and by your own non-egoic experience.

Do we kill Frederick's Sun God of Atomic Light, then? Do we murder Greg's Tribal God of the desert who has promised in Revelations that only His Hebrew tribes will gain eternity in heaven?

How shall we indoctrinate the atheist who believes that God cannot logically or reasonably exist; or the agnostic who believes that the existence of a Supreme Being is unknowable by a mortal being?

What do we tell the Buddhist who seeks to end suffering by dying to all desire...by extinguishing all attachment to all things? How do we relate his extinction to the extinction of EGO which many people believe they seek--without understanding that it is only their sense of self which allows them to value an OTHER?

It seems to me that people HAVE been sharing their paths here. But there is such a certainty involved in some that they become quickly frustrated by having their "TRUTH" questioned, or subverted to the "TRUTH" of another.

OK, so what is the human path that led you to a "hunger for God"...or vice versa? Did you look at various religious traditions and find them inadequate or misleading before you discovered a guide who satisfied your "hunger for God"?

Keep in mind that many will object to your assumption of God as having any objective validity. But if your beliefs have made you a better person, and better able to appreciate the Truth held by others, then I suppose they are worth listening to...



To: James Calladine who wrote (14847)2/14/2003 3:08:41 AM
From: 2MAR$  Respond to of 28931
 
I was in an ashram once , when very young , that had the words inscripted around a mirror

Thou Art God

this is considered a blaspheme in the two great "monotheisms" of the world...and one would be persecuted and imprisoned for such a belief by both, and excommunicated for believing this or worse.

yet how could it be otherwise if God was that which God is ? Male or Female , One or Many . God defies all concepts of God . Monotheism is not a prerequisite of the true nature of God or the Universe , anymore than the 50 names Eskimos have for snow.

That little Ashram was the first Hindu Temple built on the shores of America...and nothing but good ever came from that place , and the teacher died recently in his seventies, over 50 yrs later a recognized world religious teacher ...who touched the lives of many.

nice to know you James .

;-)