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To: tejek who wrote (161131)	2/14/2003 10:52:30 PM
From: hmaly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1573857

Ted Re..No. In one of the articles I've posted in the last week, there was a brief interview with the Turkish rep to NATO. He said he understood what Germany was doing; that Turkey did not take personal offense; however, he felt it was still incumbent upon Turkey to protect its interests That interview was after the meeting had broken up. I am not so sure Turkey knew for sure what the reasons were before that special meeting. Secondly, it is quite possible Rummy pushed Turkey to call the meeting, so Rummy could make a big deal of it to tweak Germany, France and Belgium. And, I think Rummy is laying the groundwork for realigning NATO, or at least troops in NATO, and he wants Congress and the American people to be on his side. Turkey has three problems associated with this war......its people are very opposed to the war; secondly, the threat of war is hurting Turkish businesses along their border with Iraq, aggravating conditions in a country already very poor, and thirdly and most importantly, Turkey is at risk of Iraqi retaliation for their cooperation with the US. Its why we had to buy them. And Turkey could be right, but I doubt it. Right now, Iraq doesn't control about half of the Kurds in Iraq, and a guerella group, along with Saddam controls the other half. A democratized Iraq hopefully will be able to incorporate the Kurds into Iraq, and subsequently, lessen the pressure on Turkeys Kurds. Secondly, a strong democratic gov, which is rebuilding, should put a lot of people to work, eliminating the idle Kurds,who are more likely to be terrorists. Thirdly, an Iraq not in Saddams and Al qaedas hands shouldn't be near the threat Al qaeda and SZaddam working together would be. You still don't see it......in European eyes GW has already taken the fall. The events of the past few weeks are not news to the Europeans......they have been stewing for the past three months at least. They have been going on for far longer than that. When did Schroeder first become chancellor. He ran against Gw. then. I agreed they want GW to take the fall. They couldn't pull it off this time, that is why Schroeder backed down. I think they will try again. Rummy is no dummy either, and I think he will act, before they can set Gw up again, and force negotiations on the future of NATO. But now Rummy is in a stronger bargaining position. Rightly or wrongly, the message Germany, Belgium and France sent was, they will politicize treaties, and can't be trusted. And I don't think the new Nato members will be comfortable knowing that. They have a long history of being dominated by Russia, while the US always stood by the Europeans through thick and thin. Again, I don't think that's true......not from the reports I've read. Even Powell is backing away from his original position on this issue. Not so. Powell mentioned that he had new evidence of Al qaeda connections this morning, and he said he would present it to the council next week, if asked. I heard later, that it was confirmed last wk. that 8 members of the Egyptian wing of Al qaeda are in Bagdhad.

To: tejek who wrote (161131)	2/16/2003 12:22:16 PM
From: SilentZ	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1573857

>Turkey has three problems associated with this war......its people are very opposed to the war; secondly, the threat of war is hurting Turkish businesses along their border with Iraq, aggravating conditions in a country already very poor, and thirdly and most importantly, Turkey is at risk of Iraqi retaliation for their cooperation with the US. Its why we had to buy them. Actually, I'd say their biggest problem is the fear of a Kurdish uprising... in the case of a war, the Kurds in Turkey would likely join up with the Kurds in Iraq in the hope of forming a Kurdish state... that could be messy. I don't actually see Iraq attacking Turkey if attacked by the U.S./U.N/whatever... it's debatable whether or not it has the resources to attack even one country, and if it did, both Israel and Kuwait would likely be higher priorities for Saddam. -Z