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To: Dale Baker who wrote (10628)2/15/2003 10:17:50 AM
From: backman  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 48463
 
OT (along the trails of the good-natured poking at the French...if you choose to take umbrage, shame on you...life is too short)

The following advisory for American travelers heading for
France was compiled from information provided by the U.S.
State Department, the Central Intelligence Agency, the U.S.
Chamber of Commerce, the Food and Drug Administration, the
Center for Disease Control and some very expensive spy
satellites that the French don't know about. It is intended
as a guide for American travelers only and no guarantee of
accuracy is ensured or intended.

General Overview
****************
France is a medium-sized foreign country situated on the
continent of Europe, and is for all intensive purposes
fucking useless. It is an important member of the world
community, although not nearly as important as it thinks.
It is bounded by Germany, Spain, Switzerland and some smaller
nations of no particular consequence or shopping opportunities.
France is a very old country with many treasures such as the
Louvre and EuroDisney. Among its contributions to Western
civilization are champagne, Camembert cheese, the guillotine,
and body odor. Although France likes to think of itself as a
modern nation, air conditioning is little used and it is next
to impossible to get decent Mexican food. One continuing
exasperation for American visitors is that the people will-
fully persist in speaking French, although many will speak
English if shouted at repeatedly.

The People
**********
France has a population of 54 million people, most of whom
drink and smoke a great deal, drive like lunatics, are danger-
ously over sexed and have no concept of standing patiently in
a line. The French people are generally gloomy, temperamental,
proud, arrogant, aloof and undisciplined; those are their good
points. Most French citizens are Roman Catholic, although you'd
hardly guess it from their behavior. Many people are Communists
and topless sunbathing is common. Men sometimes have girls'
names like Marie and they kiss each other when they hand out
medals. American travelers are advised to travel in groups and
to wear baseball caps and colorful pants for easier mutual
recognition. All French women have small tits, and don't shave
their armpits or their legs.

Safety
******
In general, France is a safe destination, although travelers
are advised that France is occasionally invaded by Germany.
By tradition, the French surrender more or less at once and,
apart from a temporary shortage of Scotch whisky and increased
difficulty in getting baseball scores and stock market prices,
life for the visitors generally goes on much as before. A tunnel
connecting France to Britain beneath the English Channel has
been opened in recent years to make it easier for the French
government to flee to London.

History
*******
France was discovered by Charlemagne in the Dark Ages. Other
important historical figures are Louis XIV, the Huguenots,
Joan of Arc, Jacques Cousteau and Charles de Gaulle, who was
President for many years and is now an airport. The French
armies of the past have had their asses kicked by just about
every other country in the world.

Government
**********
The French form of government is democratic but noisy. Elections
are held more or less continuously and always result in a run-
off. For administrative purposes, the country is divided into
regions, departments, districts, municipalities, cantons,
communes, villages, cafes, booths and floor tiles. Parliament
consists of two chambers, the Upper and Lower (although, con-
fusingly, they are both on the ground floor), whose members
are either Gaullists or communists, neither of whom can be
trusted. Parliament's principal pre occupations are setting
off atomic bombs in the South Pacific and acting indignant
when anyone complains. According to the most current State
Department intelligence, the current President is someone named
Jacques. Further information is not available at this time.

Culture
*******
The French pride themselves on their culture, although it is
not easy to see why. All of their songs sound the same and
they have hardly ever made a movie that you want to watch for
anything except the nude scenes. Nothing, of course, is more
boring than a French novel (except perhaps an evening with a
French family.)

Cuisine
*******
Let's face it, no matter how much garlic you put on it, a snail
is just a slug with a shell on its back. Croissants, on the
other hand, are excellent although it is impossible for most
Americans to pronounce this word. American travelers are there-
fore advised to stick to cheeseburgers at McDonald's or the
restaurants at the leading hotels such as Sheraton or Holiday
Inn. Bring your own beer, as the domestic varieties are nothing
but a poor excuse for such.

Economy
*******
France has a large and diversified economy, second only to
Germany's economy in Europe, which is surprising since people
hardly ever work at all. If they are not spending four hours
dawdling over lunch, they are on strike and blocking the roads
with their trucks and tractors. France's principal exports,
in order of importance to the economy, are wine, nuclear weapons,
perfume, guided missiles, champagne, high-caliber weaponry,
grenade launchers, land mines, tanks, attack aircraft, mis-
cellaneous armaments and cheese.

Conclusion
**********
France enjoys a rich history, a picturesque and varied land-
scape and a temperate climate. In short, it would be a very
nice country if French people didn't inhabit it, and it weren't
still radioactive from all the nuclear tests they run. The best
thing that can be said for it is that it is not Spain. Remember
no one ordered you to go abroad. Personally, we always take our
vacation in Miami Beach and you are advised to do the same.

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When advised that France had announced it would not assist,
become allied with or otherwise support the
US in any war on Iraq, Perot reportedly said: "Having to go
to war without France is sort of like having
to go deer hunting without an accordion"

Fred Barnes (Fox News) said last week-

"It is good to have France on Iraq's side, because they will
be able to teach the Iraqis how to
surrender!!!>



To: Dale Baker who wrote (10628)2/16/2003 2:05:56 AM
From: WhatsUpWithThat  Respond to of 48463
 
I am not trying to start a food fight here, just pointing out how easy it is to ridicule any country and its people. Considering the general bunch of doofuses we have in Washington on both sides of the aisle, we aren't much to brag about a lot of the time.

Thanks, Dale, exactement! My point wasn't pro-French, anti-American, or whatever, it was simply that trash talk IMO trashes the talker, not the intended target.

Back on topic now.

Cheers
WUWT



To: Dale Baker who wrote (10628)2/17/2003 3:37:02 PM
From: willcan  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 48463
 
>>It's a good thing we have the finest military ever seen on the planet.

On 60 Minutes sunday - they had piece re: failure of Gas Masks and protective clothing about 70-90% !!!

Course they (60 Min) are looking for negative war - anti-admin....



To: Dale Baker who wrote (10628)2/20/2003 4:33:55 PM
From: Bucky Katt  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 48463
 
France, Germany protect Iraq ties
David R. Sands
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Published February 20, 2003

A lesson in history here folks...
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France and Germany, the two countries at the forefront of opposition to the U.S. hard line against Iraq, have a long history of commercial and other contacts with the regime of Saddam Hussein.
TotalFinaElf, France's huge oil firm, holds the contract to develop Iraq's southern Majnoon and Nahr Umar oil fields, which could contain as much as 25 percent of the country's reserves.
German firms were the market leaders in supplying sensitive dual-use technology to Iraq in the years before the 1991 Persian Gulf war, and they have been trying to boost civilian commercial contracts in more recent times.
Khidir Hamza, an Iraqi defector who once headed Saddam's nuclear weapons program, recently called Germany "the hub of Iraq's military purchases in the 1980s."
Iraq analyst Kelly Nugent Motz, in a recent analysis of Iraqi dual-use purchases that have helped build the country's arsenal of biological, chemical and possibly nuclear weapons, noted that many of the materials U.N. weapons inspectors are now seeking are "things the West supplied."
"The real targets in Iraq — whether of inspectors now or of soldiers later — are the West's own exports," said Ms. Motz, editor of IraqWatch.org, published by the Wisconsin Project on Nuclear Arms Control, a Washington-based research group.
The issue of Western economic interests in Iraq has sparked an angry trans-Atlantic debate over motives of those supporting or opposing a potential U.S.-led military strike against Iraq.
European critics — and many of the hundreds of thousands of protesters in the United States and Europe in recent days — contend Bush administration policy is driven not by Iraq's weapons but by its oil.
U.S. energy firms largely frozen out by Saddam's regime could get priority deals to develop huge new Iraqi fields under a new regime in debt to Washington, they contend.
But France and Germany are vulnerable on the same score, according to those who support the Bush administration tack.
Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr., Delaware Democrat, at a recent Senate hearing on the future of a post-Saddam Iraq, recalled being told repeatedly during a recent European trip by skeptics that the debate about an Iraq war was "really about oil."
"And I agreed with them," Mr. Biden recalled. "It is about oil — French oil and Russian oil."
Richard Perle, a leading supporter of war with Iraq and head of an influential civilian Pentagon advisory board, last week said that TotalFinaElf was given a highly favorable deal on exploration rights in Iraq as part of an effort by Baghdad to buy allies against the United States.
"The French interest in the propagation of contracts that will only go forward with this regime is perfectly obvious," Mr. Perle said in a speech in New York.
Iraq has not been shy about dangling threats and rewards to its trading partners in order to bolster its international support and end the diplomatic and economic sanctions it has endured since the end of the Gulf war.
In December 1999, the Iraqi newspaper Babel, edited by Saddam's elder son, Uday, warned France that its support for a U.S.-backed U.N. resolution toughening the existing trade sanctions could directly hurt French interests in Iraq.
French oil firms might be forced to close their Baghdad offices and "lose the immense concessions which they have won but not yet exploited," wrote Abdel Razzak Hashemi, a former Iraqi ambassador to Paris. "The numerous advantages which French companies enjoy on the Iraqi market could also be halted."
Baghdad followed through on the threat in July 2001, announcing that French firms would no longer be given preferential treatment in oil-development deals, citing Paris' support for the "smart sanctions" program then being pushed by the Bush administration.
At the annual Baghdad international trade fair in November, the Iraqi Information Ministry reported that Saddam himself had ordered domestic buyers to "give priority" to German companies as a reward for "the firm positive stand of Germany in rejecting the launching of a military attack against Iraq by the U.S."
Some 101 German companies were represented at the Baghdad exposition, including companies offering air-conditioning equipment, energy and transportation services, cosmetics, textiles and other products.
Direct two-way trade between Germany and Iraq amounts to about $350 million annually, while another $1 billion is sold via third countries, according to Iraqi authorities.
All Western countries — including the United States — have long involved economic ties to Saddam's regime. American firms were among the many suppliers of dual-use equipment and support that built up Iraq's conventional and unconventional military arsenals in the 1970s and 1980s.
Even now, despite the extreme hostility between Washington and Baghdad, the United States buys nearly 5 percent of Iraq's oil exports under the U.N.-administered oil-for-food program.
German firms were particularly active in striking deals with Iraq. Their relationships with Saddam's regime date back to the 1970s.
The German daily Tageszeitung reported recently that it had seen portions of Iraq's 12,000-page arms declaration to U.N. weapons inspectors in December showing that German firms were the market leaders in supplying Iraq, even in the decade after the Gulf war.
The paper reported that 80 German firms were named as suppliers in the Iraqi declaration.
Even before the latest escalation of tensions, U.N. weapons inspectors had filed numerous reports of German firms complicit in aiding Iraq's covert programs in weapons of mass destruction.
One April 2000 U.N. "activity memo" regarding the German firm Water Engineering Trading, found that between 1984 and late 1988 the company had, among other violations:
• Sold, without license, $10 million worth of machinery and equipment, and tons of chemicals.
•Supplied parts of the Samarra chemical weapons complex (identified by U.S. intelligence as Iraq's prime production site for mustard gas and nerve agents).
•Supplied machine tools for converting conventional 122 mm artillery shells and rocket-propelled grenades into chemical munitions, exported as cooling containers for powdered milk.
•After March 1987, sold most of the components for the $20 million Falluja chemical weapons plant to Iraq's Ministry of Industry and Military Industrialization.
French firms show up far less frequently among the companies cited by the U.N. inspectors, although Iraq did acquire French Mirage jet fighters and French-made Exocet missiles during the 1980s.
It was a French firm that won the contract to help build Iraq's nuclear power plant at Osirak, which was bombed by Israeli jets in 1981 shortly before it was to come on line.
Mr. Hamza, the former Iraqi nuclear engineer, recalled in a recent Wall Street Journal opinion piece that many of the French projects in Iraq enjoyed huge profit markups.
Saddam's regime paid $200 million for a small French research reactor in the mid-1970s that had a then-market price of about $50 million, Mr. Hamza recalled.
"With these kinds of deals, is it any surprise that the French are so desperate to save Saddam's regime?" he asked.
But it is French oil interests in Iraq that have attracted the most attention as the debate over war intensifies.
Iraq has the world's second-largest proven oil reserves after Saudi Arabia's, and many of its most promising fields have been largely unexplored since the economic freeze imposed after the Gulf war.
Russia and France have the largest contracts, while the major U.S. energy giants, including ChevronTexaco and ExxonMobil, have been largely shut out.
Iraqi exile groups, including the U.S.-backed Iraqi National Congress (INC), have only increased speculation by issuing conflicting signals about the future of the energy concessions negotiated by Saddam.
"American companies will have a big shot at Iraqi oil," INC Chairman Ahmed Chalabi said last year.
But a senior leader of one of Iraq's two Kurdish opposition groups said the future of Iraq's oil wealth remains an exceedingly sensitive subject in the discussions with U.S. officials about a post-Saddam Iraq.
"We know there are countries such as France and Russia with very important issues, but our first priority will be to ensure that our country's oil wealth is used to benefit Iraqis," the Kurdish official said.
The Coalition for International Justice, a Washington-based human rights group, released an extensive study of foreign economic interests in Iraq on the brink of a likely new war.
French, Russian and Chinese oil concessions, with an estimated top value of $38 billion, are the biggest interests in play.
Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Jiang Zemin, in a phone call yesterday, reportedly agreed they continue to oppose military action while U.N. weapons inspections proceed, a day after Chinese Foreign Minister Tang Jiaxuan and French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin agreed on the need to continue the inspections process.

dynamic.washtimes.com