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Politics : DON'T START THE WAR -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Art Bechhoefer who wrote (9302)	2/17/2003 1:24:13 PM
From: philab	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 25898

What do you expect from a President who before his election did not know the name of the Pakistan PM and whose Brother, Governor of Florida ,does not know that Spain is a Monarchy and not a Republic! With this in mind, How do you expect America to have credibility with World Leaders when preaching to go to war. Personal interest, wether wanting revenge for his father's failure to remove Sadam when he had a World Coalition together, and when it was JUSTIFIED to make war to IRAQ, or wether for cashing in GIGANTIC Oil profits for himself and Companies in TEXAS, should not come before the protection of the lives of your YOUNG Soldiers and the welfare of your people!!!

To: Art Bechhoefer who wrote (9302)	2/17/2003 1:38:18 PM
From: Just_Observing	Respond to of 25898

I don't know of any other event in the last 1000 years where one country made the kind of demands on another Messianic leadership is your answer. When your have the power of God, how can you be wrong? Mine Eyes Have Seen the Glory Bush's Armageddon Obsession, Revisited by MICHAEL ORTIZ HILL "We are lived by forces we scarcely understand," wrote W.H. Auden. What forces live us now as America again torques toward war? George W. Bush is certainly the plaything of such forces as the geopolitics of oil but it seems that he is susceptible to other even darker archetypal concerns. Let me be blunt. The man is delusional and the shape of his delusion is specifically apocalyptic in belief and intent. That Bush would attack so many vital systems on so many fronts from foreign policy to the environment may seem confusing from the point of view of realpolitik but becomes transparent in terms of the apocalyptic worldview to which he subscribes. All systems are supposed to go down so the Messiah can come and Bush, seemingly, has taken on the role of the one who brings this to pass. The Reverend Billy Graham taught Bush to live in anticipation of the Second Coming but it was his friendship with Dr. Tony Evans that shaped Bush's political understanding of how to deport himself in an apocalyptic era. Dr. Evans, the pastor of a large Dallas church and a founder of the Promise Keepers movement taught Bush about "how the world should be seen from a divine viewpoint," according to Dr. Martin Hawkins, Evans assistant pastor. S.R. Shearer of Antipas Ministries writes, "Most of the leaders of the Promise Keepers embrace a doctrine of 'end time' (eschatology), known as 'dominionim.' Dominionism pictures the seizure of earthly (temporal) power by the 'people of God' as the only means through which the world can be rescued.... It is the eschatology that Bush has imbibed; an eschatology through which he has gradually (and easily) come to see himself as an agent of God who has been called by him to 'restore the earth to God's control', a 'chosen vessel', so to speak, to bring in the Restoration of All Thingss." Shearer calls this delusion, "Messianic leadership"-- that is to say usurping the role usually ascribed to the Messiah. quoting further to your answer *Never in the history of Christendom has there been a moment when this rogue element has carried anything like the credibility and political power that it carries now.* counterpunch.org After successfully usurping the election, Dubya raises his targets to the stars - usurping the Messiah. We on earth are paying the price for Dubya's delusions.