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To: i-node who wrote (161357)	2/17/2003 7:27:20 PM
From: SilentZ	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1574965

>As to your remark, it is a patently stupid one. The United States has in no way been complicit in Saddam's murders. This is typical liberal idiocy, blaming the gun manufacturer for the death of someone who was shot with the gun. Once again, halfway in between. We aided Saddam because he was the lesser of two evils. That was the right thing to do. The wrong thing to do was to lose control of him and allow him to treat his people the way he has. The current administration is currently in the process of righting that wrong. Whether that's the real motive is debatable but it's a mistake worth fixing. -Z

To: i-node who wrote (161357)	2/17/2003 7:39:09 PM
From: Alighieri	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574965

Actually, the young Iraqi girl I heard speak today says the numbers of innocent Iraqi citizens killed has exceed a million, with the wars on top of it. Do we have another Kuwait incubator babies story here? As to your remark, it is a patently stupid one. The United States has in no way been complicit in Saddam's murders. This is typical liberal idiocy, blaming the gun manufacturer for the death of someone who was shot with the gun. It is just a stupid remark and you know it has no nexus in the context you used it in. The truth sometimes bites, but it is still the truth. The Reagan administration provided intelligence and weapons to both sides as they were killing eachother on the battlefield. This is documented history. So, my remarks are only stupid if you want to bury your head in your ass and ignore that this country has been a party to Saddam's deeds when it was convenient. Now you (and Blair) would have us believe that it has become a humanitarian mission. That's a crock. Work through the UN to disarm the man, if it takes longer. And if you want to be a humanitarian, work towards lifting those sanctions. Al

To: i-node who wrote (161357)	2/18/2003 12:18:58 AM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574965

One million people? Are you talking about the Iran war? Then consider that he did it with our help...ask Rummy, Reagan and Bush Sr. Actually, the young Iraqi girl I heard speak today says the numbers of innocent Iraqi citizens killed has exceed a million, with the wars on top of it. Lets get the real facts on exactly how evil Saddam is. The Right has played so fast and loose with those facts, its downright disturbing. Saddam vs the Kurds: its estimated that 50-100k Kurds were killed by Saddam during the 80s. Thousands more were killed during the Kurds uprising in 1991. Clearly, Saddam is not a nice man but a Hitler.......I don't think so. http://www.msnbc.com/news/834492.asp?0si=- Iraqi Iranian War: This one may be an example of the lesser of two evils; Iran and Iraq being the two evils. Its been really hard for objective observers to get a clear death count since each participant has tried to paint their opponent as the one with the higher death count, and therefore, the true loser of the war. Iran claims 200k deaths while Iraq claims it killed 800k Iranians. Most observers believe the Iranian death count is closer to the truth with the Iraqi death toll half of the Iranian count. That would mean both sides together lost at or less than 500k. geocities.com To put all of this killing into the proper perspective, it one estimate of the death toll during the Vietnam war was 1.7 million of which 600k were estimated to be civilian. Saddam is an ruthless dictator but a piker compared to some of the others that have come along on this planet. ted

To: i-node who wrote (161357)	2/18/2003 12:53:50 AM
From: tejek	Respond to of 1574965

As to your remark, its a patently stupid one. The United States has in no way been complicit in Saddam's murders. This is typical liberal idiocy, blaming the gun manufacturer for the death of someone who was shot with a gun. Wrong again, I'm afraid. Its not a stupid supposition. The gun manu. makes the gun but doesn't know the character of the person who's buying it. We knew what nature of Saddam was.......a corrupt, ruthless tyrant. And yet Reagan, Bush Sr. and Rumsfield gave him what he wanted in terms of WMD........poisons and germs as shown below and nuclear components. And these are the honorable and great people you want me to trust and let them do what's best for this country. I don't think so................. BTW the link is to a libertarian group that sounds like it has conservative roots. It makes me feel good to know that not all conservatives are cut from the same cloth. ted fff.org Following Iraq's Bioweapons Trail Sen. Robert Byrd, a master at hectoring executive branch witnesses, asked Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld a provocative question last week: Did the United States help Saddam Hussein produce weapons of biological warfare? Rumsfeld brushed off the Senate's 84-year-old president pro tem like a Pentagon reporter. But a paper trail indicates Rumsfeld should have answered yes. An eight-year-old Senate report confirms that disease- producing and poisonous materials were exported, under U.S. government license, to Iraq from 1985 to 1988 during the Iran-Iraq war. Furthermore, the report adds, the American- exported materials were identical to microorganisms destroyed by United Nations inspectors after the Gulf War. The shipments were approved despite allegations that Saddam used biological weapons against Kurdish rebels and (according to the current official U.S. position) initiated war with Iran.