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To: LindyBill who wrote (76740)	2/23/2003 12:04:11 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi LindyBill, In response, I am going to publish a PM I sent to Rascal, who was writing to assure me that just because he (she?) opposed the current Israeli government, he was not anti-Semitic: I have a difference of opinion on the behavior of Israel lately. But that makes me in no way anti-semetic. Because my acceptance is at such a deep level that when I reed anti-Semetic comments I think "I can't believe they are saying this" "It must be a mistake or some crummy publication. Well first of all, I think you can understand why I may be a little more sensitized to this stuff than you are. Second, I do not think that lots of people who oppose current Israeli policies, like you, or Tony Judt or Anthony Lewis, just to name a couple, are the least bit anti-Semitic. I just think they're well-intentioned but wrong. Different kettle of fish entirely. Third, what I feel quite sure of, is that anti-Semitism - the old-fashioned Protocols of the Elders of Zion type of anti-Semitism - is in a process of rehabilitation. For fifty years after the Holocaust, it was off the table, beyond the pale. Now it is coming back into play. Not only is the whole Arab world seething with it, but the far-left in Europe, and America too, is picking it up. For fifty years it hid under the rocks, now it is crawling back into the sunlight. Liberal American opinion has been quite slow to notice this. For a long time papers like the New York Times exercised a kind of strict self-censorship on the subject, as if to accuse the Arabs (let alone left-wing, excuse me, "progressive" Europeans) of anti-Semitism was unacceptably prejudiced even if the charge could clearly be substantiated with evidence. Organizations like MEMRI have done a service translating this stuff into English, not the mention the unwitting contributions of the Arab News. I am not the only one to notice this by a long shot. The bloggers Charles Johnson (LGF) and Damian Perry (Daimnation!) have been keeping track of it. Damian notes that not only did writer A.N.Wilson quote a Holocaust-denier as a reliable source, but he stood by the story when it was pointed out to him that he was quoting a Holocaust-denier as an authority. Damian comments, "Hey, they might be Nazis, but they have a point." I'm hearing this sort of rhetoric quite a bit lately, and almost all of it is coming from the far left. Slowly but surely, the "revisionists" are gaining in respectability, mainly thanks to people like Mr. Wilson. How long will it be before a high-profile left-wing European journalist, writing about the Israel-Palestine conflict, slips up and says something like "the Holocaust, in which the Germans allegedly killed six million Jews"? I really don't think such a day is too far off. damianpenny.blogspot.com

To: LindyBill who wrote (76740)	2/23/2003 1:42:00 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

The reason a lot of neocons are Jewish is that Jews tend to be more liberal to begin with. If you start out liberal and become conservative, you're a neocon. If you were always conservative, you aren't a neocon. I think the reason people slur about "Wolfowitz and Perle" is the unspoken assumption that they are carrying water for Israel while pretending to support the interests of the US. The deep meaning of the unspoken assumption is that the interests of Israel and the US are in some way antithetical, so Wolfowitz and Perle are actually acting against the interests of the US.

To: LindyBill who wrote (76740)	2/23/2003 2:47:18 PM
From: FaultLine	Respond to of 281500

Hello LB, Always the Jews up front. It did not hit me until I read Brook's article. I am at the point that I am going to challenge him on it the next time he does it. If Nadine disagrees with me, I will back off. I'm telling you to back off right now. Not one more word of this on the thread. Write ME a PM if you must and you and I can discuss it, but basically this is HIGHLY Off Topic. I personally think you owe Win an apology for going public with these feelings you have -- really, quite a nasty smear IMO. --fl