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To: GST who wrote (153705)	2/26/2003 1:51:01 PM
From: Bill Harmond	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 164684

>>the question there is how do we present ourselves on environmental issues ...It is part of the bigger picture that influences how the US is perceived Again you just go on and on not knowing what you're talking about. You think everything is PR. The treaty disadvantaged us materially versus other countries. It's clearly not in our national interest. A government is charged to operate in its national interest, not make foreigners fell good about it while they compete against it unfairly. Wise up. Why don't you just send all us money, GST...we'll think you're a nice guy. Why don't you post the Chinese Clean Air Act! How about the Chinese Clean Water Act?

To: GST who wrote (153705)	2/26/2003 10:31:18 PM
From: Victor Lazlo	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 164684

No GT, you view the world in backwards terms. Whatever your ax is to grind, it sure has no American sympathies. You've got some deep-rooted resentments toward the US. So be it. The amazing thing is we even considered the kyoto treaty, And since the senate has never ratidfied it, that's it. We don't need to surrendur our economic sovierngty for some phony enviromental objectives that none of the other countries would have to meet. The kyoto treaty was deeply flawed. We do not ratify deeply flawed treaties to impress other countries, GST.

To: GST who wrote (153705)	2/27/2003 8:04:03 PM
From: Randy Ellingson	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 164684

>>It does not matter whether or not Kyoto was a sad joke -- the question there is how do we present ourselves on environmental issues -- the answer is, not well. It is part of the bigger picture that influences how the US is perceived. The general assessment is that we have develop an F-you attitude towards the rest of the world.<< Much of this can be traced to Bush's comment that he "will not do anything which can harm our economy." What a noble thought. If taken to an extreme, that means any behavior which harms the environment, or national/global populations' health, can be justified if there are any financial implications of changing that behavior. It comes back to the tactless approach of requiring "proof" there is a problem before reaction can begin. Global warming's a complex issue, but the desirability of clean air and water should be an easy issue. As you pointed out, when the US turned its back on Kyoto, we also failed to offer a real plan for action. Rather than working from a standpoint of integrity and honesty, we said "that's unrealistic" and left it at that.