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Politics : DON'T START THE WAR -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Steeny who wrote (14165)	3/1/2003 1:51:48 AM
From: PartyTime	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 25898

Steeny, we're about to liberate a country that has not asked to be liberated. There is nothing in UN Resolution 1441 about regime change; there is nothing in UN Resolution about militarily building democracies in the Middle East; finally, there is nothing in UN Resolution 1441 that dictates the US should invade Iraq. There is no evidence to prove that Iraq has the WDM that the US claims it does and what evidence that does exist is contrary. The former UN weapons inspectors certified that 93 percent of Iraq's WDM were destroyed during the last inspection process. There is testimony from Saddam's own son who, when he defected, initially alerted the Western World that Saddam had a chemical and biological proram, that he destroyed much of this in 1991--but this info was conveniently deleted from the US propaganda campaign. Moreover, the British intelligence data was plagerized and 12 years old and the photos that Powell held up showed images not quite as small and detailed as US intelligence is purpported to be able to show. Do some research about the St. Petersberg Review newspaper, a journal owned by a foundation not a corporation, which purchased independent satellite data that showed there were no Iraqi troops on the Saudi border, even though such intelligence was shown by the US to the Saudi leaders in order to get approval for a military base in Saudi Arabia. That in war truth is the first casualty has been proven over and over by both Bush Administrations, each of which have the strongest ties of any presidency to oil. In a matter of conflict of interest it is the appearance of same that is the guiding force. I also think Bush has a tendency to want to vindicate his dad's failure, as I think his dad would have found a justification for the invasion had he won a second term. This war has noting to do with justice, it has nothing to do with self-defense and it has nothing to do making the world a more secure place. It has little change of success and even greater chances of failure and thereby making the world an even more dangerous place than it otherwise would be. But, not once, ever, has addressed any of the problems which give breed to terrorism. Don't you find a problem here? I mean shouldn't that at least be on the table and shouldn't that at least have come up immediately in the aftermath of 9/11? If you read Bob Woodward's new book you'll find the planning for the war on Iraq was well before, during and after 9/11.

To: Steeny who wrote (14165)	3/1/2003 3:46:19 PM
From: Patricia Trinchero	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 25898

The people in the entire region are scared. THe countries are small and very close together so what impacts one country tends to resonate into others as well. The refugees will be a problem for countries that surround Iraq. The refugees are desperate and miserable and they tend to bring unsettled conditions with them. The crime increases and all sorts of trouble starts because the refugees are desperate. It's been reported that aid agencies have not been allowed to plan so the situation may be horrible for the families tha flee. Apparently, it's only 45 miles from Kuwait City and Basra..........................and about from San Francisco to LA between Kuwait City and Baghdad. According to the female Dr. that went to medical School in Baghdad, she didn't have any problems as a foreigner ( she's Jordanian). Foreigners with money and a purpose are not bothered by any of Saddam's military rulers. She never had any trouble. According to my friends, the people of Iraq don't like Saddam, but they hope for a peaceful resolution to his differences with the Bush. As a citizen, if you stay out of his way and live according to his rules you don't have any trouble. They are all afraid of the bombing of their cities. They are people like us and want their kids to go to school and grow up to do better then them. If the bombing starts, then it will take several years to rebuild everything and a whole generation will be lost.( some permanently) THey also are not quite sure they want AMerican values...............most of them are Moslems and may not be comfortable with the American culture. Even the physician I know who is a female continues to wear her veil that covers her hair ( not her face ). She chooses to do that in the US................they are proud people and have their ways that they are accustomed to. Many of the people in Iraq lost loved ones in the last war........................they are not looking forward to a repeat of the performance. There is also some worry about religious differences among the different Iraqi groups. SOme of them hate each other. Arabs I know try to keep low profiles right now. They are quite sensitive to animosity from American citizens. The ones I know are great people and have been citizens for years..................but they are sensitive to the fact that many people might view them with scorn.