To: chowder who wrote (19362 ) 3/1/2003 9:50:11 AM From: russwinter Respond to of 206325 I think the disconnect between the OSX (like) price and the commodity comes down to two prevailing premises. The energy bear premise (propaganda in my view) can be read ad nauseam here and in various new releases, CNBC, etc. It (I've called it TOHOE: trust of hope over experience) holds that most if not all of the events (Venz, weather, so called Iraq war premium, and on and on) leading up to the crisis will be magically reversed, and that the world can some how be made right. The huge inventory and output shortfalls can be cured (now it's "releasing SR"). It holds that the crisis is sort of a fluke, or an outlier event, and not the natural order of things, and that any further problems (such as torched ME oil fields) are highly unlikely, or that somehow cold weather forecasts for March will be "averted", or that summer will be room temperature all across the nation. A second component of the TOHOEs is that the market quickly adjusts or overadjusts as it did in 2001 to shortages. Adjustments can be manifested through aggressive drill bit activity (new supply) and/or demand destruction. <What needs to happen for oil service stocks to see gains of 50% plus?. Right now I see the TOHOE premise priced to perfection in this market. My feeling is that if it actually turn up as reality (and in my mind that would be a snake eyes roll) my downside risk is still very limited. I say that because even using $25/4.00, most E&P trade at about 4X EV/cash flow, and the drillers are now about 115-118% of NAV, not that far from decade and half lows (95% when oil was $12). The degree of upside from here, is dependant on how much (*) of the TOHOE point of view actually materializes. (*) I think the strongest point of the TOHOE view is demand destruction (and severe economic consequences). I'm not willing to just dismiss it. I don't believe however that energy prices will just give up at the Ides of March in some kind of identifiable "last gasp" that Greenlaw and other TOHOEs talk about. It will be a counter factor over time, and a hard fought battle in the price pits. If drilling activity were coming on strong, then I could see the prospect for equilibrium to be eventually reached at say $4.50-5.00 gas. Such equilibrium would still support 120-like OSX prices because it would necessitate much more drill bit activity. In other words we don't get to equilibrium solely through demand destruction, unless we got an even greater price spike.