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Politics : DON'T START THE WAR -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: PartyTime who wrote (14393)	3/1/2003 4:28:32 PM
From: Augustus Gloop	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 25898

<<to cover for Bush's poor helmsmanship over the US economy>> I know a little bit about this topic and I can say, without hesitation, that the economy was already in serious decline before Bush took office. He walked into a mess on Jan 20, 2001 and NO president can influence a multi trillion dollar economy in 8 months. Their policies can't even effect it in their first term imo. So lets not finger Bush for where the economy is today like Gephardt so disingenuously did. Keep in mind that most Democrats are on board with this action as well though they may disagree as to how it should be done. The no fly zone was in part created to prevent him from attacking neighbors. While other Arab states say one thing in public they seem to all feel vulnerable with Saddam in power in their region. But don't get me wrong here....The US is not without blame in this situation. The problem is if we do nothing and something happens 10 years from now we will have made yet another mistake. Since I can't tell the future I can't help but feel that a mistake made now would have less fallout than one made that allows Saddam or anyone like him to build to a point where they can threaten the globe.

To: PartyTime who wrote (14393)	3/1/2003 7:14:36 PM
From: Machaon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 25898

<< Agustus, I bet if you looked back on some history pages you'll find Bush's speeches are more in parallel to what Hitler spoke about before he moved forward with European invasion plans. >> This is quite a misleading and disgusting statement from you. We all know that Hitler's path was one of conquest, enslavement, mass murder and destruction. America has always backed democracy and freedom. We have fought for the freedom of Kosovo, Europe, Afghanistan, Israel, Bosnia, Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, among others, and now Iraq. We even gave up the Panama Canal, although I view that as a mistake. Your comparison of Bush, and thusly America, to Hitler is disgusting. << Saddam, pretty much like all Arab leaders, has been severely bent on Israel's treatment of the Palestinians. Beyond that, there's little evidence he's shown aggressive tendencies anywhere. >> In your view Saddam is an real nice OK Arab leader without showing aggressive tendencies anywhere. You are delusional. << His invasion of Kuwait was not without issue. I mean it wasn't a blind invasion. There were issues concerning Kuwait's using new slant drilling techniques to steal oil from under Iraq's surface. >> So, this justifies, to you, the ruthless torture and murder of thousands of Kawaitis by Saddam's brutal forces? I guess you feel that the 600 missing Kuwaitis, taken by Saddam's forces, and still missing, still makes Saddam a nice, gentle Arab leader, according to you, right? << In the days prior to the strong coalition invasion Saddam had agreed to a Russian plan for solving the dispute. >> So, besides Iraq, your other favorite and trusted nation is Russia? If a plan comes from Russia, do you automatically back it without reservation? Oh, I get it. As long as the plan does not come from America, you back it. << Bush couldn't advance into Baghdad because that was not what the UN Resolution stipulated. >> This is propaganda, which of course many people push. America could have continued on, without a problem, and weakened Saddam to the point that the Kurds and Shiites would have had a better chance to overthrow Saddam. Bush senior made a bad decision and stopped our military campaign. << I don't believe this war is an aftermath effect of 9/11, rather it was pre-designed by GOPwinger hawks, former Reagan-Bush advisors, long ago. >> It's viewpoints like yours, which could handcuff America, in it's war against terrorism, that could result in American cities being hit by a weapon of mass destruction. This is a dangerous game you are playing with American lives.