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To: Sun Tzu who wrote (68149)	3/2/2003 7:09:25 PM
From: Zeev Hed	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

That is why I excluded those 200 years of the crusades (by the way, Jerusalem was not really "it", it was a failed attempt to stop the advance and spreading of Islam. Jerusalem was only an excuse. Once Europe failed in its attempt to stop Islam (at least until the 16th century, when Spain started reversing the process), Jerusalem went back to its sordid existence. As for religion, I was always preferring Voltaire's point of view, if "god did not exist, we'd better invent him fast". Not all religions have deity actualization, but if you look at the historic development of religion from paganism on, it is really an attempt to coalesce all we do not know (and fear) into a deity, a long time ago, a deity for each "mystery" and later a unifying deity for "all mysteries". A side effect, the resulting "social order", (and thou shall love your neighbor as you love yourself) is just a codex to make society liveable, ordered and thus "developable", all IMHO. Zeev

To: Sun Tzu who wrote (68149)	3/2/2003 7:23:27 PM
From: Sarmad Y. Hermiz	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 70976

>> The general essence of all religions is love to your neighbor, and that this is requested by Manuf, Zoroaster, Buddha, Moses, Socrates, Jesus, Saint Paul, and Mohammed alike. << Sun Tzu, I don't know whether you quoted this passage because you believe it to be true, or you wish it were true, or just because it sounds nice. But I can assure you it is not substantially true. I don't know about all these historical figures. I do know that amongst Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed, only Jesus asks you to love your neighbor. The Koran contains many passages that tell you to do the whole range of actions to your fellow human. From tolerance to violence. The Torah is a little light on tolerance, but you can find some range in it too. Only Jesus gave a consistent and inclusive message of love and forgiveness, and stayed with it to its logical extreme. "if they strike you on your right cheek, give them your left". "if he makes you walk one mile, walk two". And of course, the famous "love thy neighbor as thyself". As far as I know, no-one who came earlier than Jesus proposed that relation between humans. If you know otherwise, please enlighten. Possibly the far-east peoples had arrived at that point. But I'm not knowledgeable about those religions. Sarmad