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To: SilentZ who wrote (162886)3/4/2003 11:05:01 AM
From: i-node  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 1574046
 
Well, having kids say the Pledge with "under God" in it in school is more or less requiring it.

I haven't really followed your discussion here. But let me ask, is it your view that the separation of church and state is a concept that should change over time? That is, the Founding Fathers determined that while church and state were separate and must be separate, the word "God" appears in literally every document they created.

Isn't it, in effect, systemic "judicial activism" to have the liberal courts of today overriding what the Founding Fathers' positions were on this subject? And is it healthy for our nation?

My broader point here is that there has, since the inception of the Constitution, existed a persistent liberal bent, constantly pushing the limits of liberalism. Ideas that the original Constitution would clearly have rebuked (like the exclusion of the word "God" from a pledge of allegience, after Congress specifically acted to put it in there) are now routinely accepted. There appear to be no outer limits to where liberalism stops. Is this okay?



To: SilentZ who wrote (162886)3/4/2003 12:29:06 PM
From: Tenchusatsu  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1574046
 
Z, <having kids say the Pledge with "under God" in it in school is more or less requiring it.>

It's more likely that handing out condoms in school promotes sexual promiscuity than having a pledge with "God" in it promotes religion.

By the way, no school requires the pledge to be recited. It is completely voluntary.

Tenchusatsu



To: SilentZ who wrote (162886)3/4/2003 12:55:18 PM
From: richard surckla  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1574046
 
Zof; Again, there you go with "requiring". Kids, or you, or anyone are not required to say the pledge with "under God" in it. As a matter of fact you do not have to say the pledge with or without "under God" in it... you can be silent. You can even turn your back to the flag while the pledge is being given. The real question is which would you rather do and how do you feel doing it?