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To: zonder who wrote (68301)	3/6/2003 12:32:10 PM
From: chomolungma	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

I am sorry if this offends you, but it is an analogy that a rising number of people are making. Aggression, power trip, police state, etc are among the points of comparison, I believe. The most useful course I took in school was a course in logic. The professor had us scour newspapers, TV and other media for arguments that contained "fallacies of logic." (This was before the rich source of the internet was available) Your post contains a number of statements we would "red flag." 1) "rising number of people" - meaningless, it's just like me saying "most everyone agrees that Chirac is an idiot." 2) "aggression, power trip.... - fails the test of degrees. Ed the jaywalker is the same as Edward the rapist since both break the law. 3) "police state" - slippery slope argument. Just like saying that smoking grass will lead to heroin addiction. 4) "police state" - appeal to emotion. Nobody wants to live in a police state obviously, so who would disagree with that? You'll have to come up with a better argument to convince me that America is on the same path as Hitler's Germany.

To: zonder who wrote (68301)	3/6/2003 12:33:05 PM
From: JSwanson	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

Aggression, power trip, police state, etc are among the points of comparison, I believe. Is that a description of Saddam, Bush or Both?

To: zonder who wrote (68301)	3/6/2003 12:37:21 PM
From: Sun Tzu	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 70976

Zonder, I hate to tell you this, but you are not helping your cause here. Anybody who goes overboard in trying to prove their view looses credibility fast. The unfortunate thing is that this loss of credibility tends to be broad brushed and so it will rob off on the reasonable statements that others in the same "league" will make. One of the biggest lessons they teach in propaganda schools is that if you really want to ruin an stance, do not disagree with it. Rather defend it poorly. You are crossing the line to the other side, IMO. ST