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To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (80406)	3/8/2003 4:33:20 AM
From: bela_ghoulashi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

At New York City: A typical day for one of the 2,797 victims of 9/11 never begins at all.

To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (80406)	3/8/2003 4:33:24 AM
From: kumar	Respond to of 281500

detainees have no access to families or lawyers I would guess, that they did not have these luxuries on the battlefields they chose either. No soccer balls, Ping-Pong tables, lawn darts, croquet mallets. Good. Its not a country club, ya know.

To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (80406)	3/8/2003 9:12:04 AM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

The Camp X-Ray detainees have all met with representatives from the consulates of their respective countries to have their status assessed, and a number have been repatriated. There is a permanent Red Cross station there to monitor their health, safety and welfare. We went through all this months ago. Try doing a search on Camp X-ray, or maybe just X-ray. The two dead detainees didn't die at Camp X-Ray in Cuba, it was at Baghram Air Force base in Afghanistan. It seems probable to me if they were tortured or beaten it was by Afghanis, not US military personnel, and that's what I will assume until proven otherwise. Afghanis are famous for that type of behavior, even Afghani women. They mistreat prisoners as a matter of course.

To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (80406)	3/8/2003 10:23:25 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

All of thise make a lot of sense.. When involved in extracting cooperation and information from enemy captives, the use of reward and punishment approach is very useful. It is the choice of the individual whether or not he cooperates. Nothing is forced.. it is merely individual choice and a breaking of the will to continue defying one's captors. And once "broken", they will join other captives who also cooperated willingly, and they will collectively grow disillusioned by the terrorist cause as they seek to justify betraying it and their fellow Islamo-Fascists... This will hopefully ellicit even more cooperation.. or at least some interesting conversations that will all be recorded via audio surveillance and analyzed for additional intelligence. The issue of suicide is the case with almost anyone who has been incarcerated... I remember when I was a youngster and spent a weekend in jail for being stupid enough to engage in a car chase with a cop (if you can call a top speed of 45 mph a "chase".. :0).... Since it was a Friday, I spend the weekend in jail (with some pretty rough characters) waiting for Monday morning arraignment.. I'd never been in trouble before, and spent the weekend contemplating all kinds of things because of the repercussions of this "legal encounter" and how it would affect my job, family.. etc.. Fortunately, there was an inmate their awaiting trial for armed robbery (can't remember if he actually shot anyone), who took me "under his wing" and protected me against some of the other thugs, as well as introducing me to some Zen Buddhism and Richard Bach. So I managed to emerge with my spirit, honor, and uh-humm.. physical integrity, all intact... :0) And fortunately, the judge was pretty cool and since I was obviously a stupid punk who obviously been "scared straight" by my experience, I got off with a "failure to yield to an emergency vehicle".. $150 fine.. So given the complete lack of any individual support network outside of their American captors, I can understand why they are contemplating suicide. But they also know that as more and more of their comrades recognize their hopelessness of their plight and opt for cooperation, they will gradually also find themselves doing what it takes to get into those comfy quarters and enjoy greater privileges. And ultimately, someday, they may find themselves permitted to return to where ever their homes are, when it's clear they have lost their desire to attack us.. Further, they argue, as Washington edges toward war on Saddam Hussein, the United States has lost a measure of moral authority to argue for POW privileges if an American soldier is captured in an invasion of Iraq. I absolutely reject this.. Any Iraqi soldier who is captured in THEIR PROPER UNIFORM is a POW and deserving of all proper treatment. For these morons to make this argument shows how little they REALLY understand about the issue. Hawk@everyonedeservesasecondchance.com