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To: Dayuhan who wrote (80640)	3/9/2003 11:15:18 AM
From: KonKilo	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

There are people around who seem to be looking at this war like a child waiting for Christmas morning. Thank you, Steven. Your post expressed my own thoughts better than I could myself. I do not believe there is a single poster here who lacks humanity, but for some the coming war seems to exist as an intellectual exercise only.

To: Dayuhan who wrote (80640)	3/9/2003 11:16:38 AM
From: JohnM	Respond to of 281500

Yep. I can't think of any other response.

To: Dayuhan who wrote (80640)	3/9/2003 11:35:27 AM
From: Rascal	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I feel the same. But what does it mean?? That such smart people are blind to this?

To: Dayuhan who wrote (80640)	3/13/2003 12:42:51 AM
From: tejek	Respond to of 281500

How many of you have ever been up to your elbows in human blood? Not the nice blood you get when you cut yourself around the edges, the stringy lumpy stuff you get when a human body comes up against a flying chunk of metal? How many have held a young man in their lap and felt the hiss and gurgle as his lungs filled up with blood? How many have tried to treat a multiple shrapnel case with a first aid kit? Smelled human bodies decomposing? Seen the dead stare in the eyes of children forced to see what no human should ever see? Some of our most prominent generals, both active and retired, quietly have been the most resistant to this war. I have thought for some time that they must know much more than we do about these things and their consequences. And I think its important to think about the implications of their actions. Aren't generals supposed to look forward to going to war? Isn't that what they live for? The blood, the guts, the glory! How many military leaders do you know in the world who resist going to war and instead look for a peaceful solution, starting with Mr. Powell himself? Not many I would venture. Frankly, its the only thing that has kept me proud of my country during these dark times. Thanks for your words........I hope many see them. Many should see them.

To: Dayuhan who wrote (80640)	3/13/2003 5:51:27 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

I’m not naïve about these things, and I understand that war is sometimes necessary. I may not agree that this coming war, at this time, is necessary, but I understand that some could feel that way, and I’m willing to discuss the question with full respect to those with whom I disagree. What I find incomprehensible is the growing sense that people are looking at this not as a nasty job that perhaps we must reluctantly do, but as something to be regarded with pleasure, delight, and anticipation. It comes out in the words: “let’s roll”, “let’s do it”, “let’s take ‘em out”. There are people around who seem to be looking at this war like a child waiting for Christmas morning. It’s bad enough to see this attitude coming from bloggers on the lower edge of sentience. Seeing it here, coming from people that I’ve debated with as friends, is really and truly disquieting, and it makes me wonder what kind of people, really, we are. Throughout this past year, it seems our military leaders, both active and retired, have had a fairly muted participation in the discussions centering around Iraq and war. In the beginning, several of America's most noted generals voiced a quiet opposition to this war. In fact, one of them made comments similar to those you make above. Since then, we hear very little from them. Most military leaders to be sure are getting ready to fight but not with the raucous display often seen in other nations. You would think you'd see our generals at the forefront pushing for war. Beating the war drum! Looking for blood, guts and glory! After all, its what they are supposed to do best. But that's mostly not been the case. In fact, some of them actually have worked to find a way to keep the peace right up to Mr. Powell himself. During these dark days, when war is on the ascendant and peace fading quickly away, it comforts me to know that our military operates with such measured steps and searches for a way to keep the peace amidst so many words of war. Thank your for your good words. They are well said. ted