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To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (80653)3/9/2003 11:42:58 AM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
AT WAR
Assault on the Geneva Convention
The American Bar Association tries to legitimize terrorism.

BY DAVID B. RIVKIN JR. AND LEE A. CASEY
Sunday, March 9, 2003 12:01 a.m.

Last weekend's capture of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, al Qaeda's top planner, was a major blow to Osama bin Laden's terrorist network and arguably the biggest victory yet in the war on terror. The alleged mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks is now being held in an undisclosed location where the U.S. Central Command is applying "all appropriate pressure" to extract information from him regarding the al Qaeda network and its operations.

Apprehended in Pakistan, serving under no flag, and having repudiated the laws of war, Mohammed is rightly considered an "unlawful combatant." Over the centuries, an entire body of laws of war was designed to delegitimize and suppress unlawful combatants. Thus, captured al Qaeda and Taliban operatives are not due the rights and privileges of lawful prisoners of war under the Geneva Conventions. They are entitled to humane treatment but can be detained in less comfortable conditions than POWs, and can be interrogated more vigorously--so as to obtain military and intelligence information. They may be held, without a criminal trial, for the duration of the conflict.

In addition, they can be harshly punished for their unlawful resort to force, up to and including the death penalty. Equally, those al Qaeda and Taliban operatives still at large may be lawfully attacked at any time by any legitimate military means. Although they must be allowed to surrender (without condition) if they ask for the opportunity, there is no need for American forces to attempt to capture them when they may more easily be killed or wounded.

Unfortunately, many of our allies and even some Americans recoil from the application of these harsh traditional strictures and advocate more "compassionate" treatment for unlawful combatants. Specifically, they claim that captured members of groups like al Qaeda and the Taliban should be presumed to be POWs, until proven otherwise through an elaborate case-by-case legal process.

Believing that the peacetime criminal justice system's rules should govern, the American Bar Association has just overwhelmingly passed a resolution, urging that unlawful combatants be given access to counsel and greater opportunities for judicial review, all to better challenge their detention. Numerous human-rights groups decry the Bush administration's vigorous interrogations of unlawful combatants, even though these have helped to avert deadly attacks against Americans and resulted in the capture of numerous al Qaeda and Taliban operatives.

Meanwhile, many nongovernmental organizations assert that the laws of war should be changed to accommodate armed, irregular nonstate actors, so as to bring them within the "system," and thereby moderate their conduct. It is, of course, unclear how much moderation can be induced in people who fly civilian airplanes into buildings and subscribe to the view that all "infidels" are fair game.

Some Europeans have even argued that unlawful combatants (precisely because they do not distinguish themselves from the civilian population, and might be confused with noncombatants) can only be attacked when they are themselves attacking. At other times, the argument goes, they must be treated like criminal defendants, and "arrested." This clearly is the view underlying the condemnation, by international activist groups like Amnesty International and European officials, of Israel's "targeted killings" of Palestinian terrorist leaders. It is also what prompted a senior Swedish government official recently to accuse the U.S. of "summarily executing" a group of al Qaeda leaders killed by a missile attack in Yemen.

To put it bluntly, while holding the armed forces of law-abiding states to ever more elaborate restrictions, our allies seek to treat unlawful combatants as well as, or even better than, lawful ones. The obvious rejoinder to these efforts to privilege unlawful combatants is that they have already deliberately rejected the most important aspects of "international humanitarian law," including the injunction against targeting civilians, and that offering them any concessions simply encourages their unlawful conduct.

Policy arguments aside, the Bush administration is on very firm legal ground here. Both long-standing customary international law, and the 1949 Geneva Conventions, fully recognize the difference between regular soldiers, who comply with the laws of war and are entitled to POW status, and guerrillas or terrorists, who operate without uniforms, concealing their arms, and deliberately target civilians, who are not. The U.S. courts, in recent cases involving both captured al Qaeda and Taliban operatives, have recognized and upheld this distinction.

Most of our allies, however, have accepted "Protocol One," the 1977 addition to the Geneva Conventions "relating to the protection of victims of international armed conflicts." While this treaty also distinguishes between lawful and unlawful combatants--and the International Committee of the Red Cross assured the world that Protocol One would not legitimize or legalize terrorism--it has been interpreted by "humanitarian" activists as providing more advantageous treatment for "unlawful combatants."

Fortunately for the U.S., Ronald Reagan always could tell humbug from humanitarianism. In early 1987, he rejected Protocol One, denouncing it as an effort to revolutionize--both literally and figuratively--the Geneva treaties and the established laws of war by granting the rights and privileges of honorable soldiers to guerrillas and terrorists.

These days, this is far from an academic dispute. Because some of our allies felt that U.S. treatment of captured unlawful combatants violated the Geneva Conventions, they indicated that they would not turn al Qaeda and Taliban prisoners, captured in Afghanistan, over to U.S. forces there. Obviously, coalition warfare loses much of its appeal if the participants disagree on the applicable rules. These practical problems aside--because, in the 21st century, unlawful combatants relentlessly seek access to weapons of mass destruction, and pose a life-and-death threat to democracies--the need to delegitimize them is particularly compelling.

Thus, not according them a full set of POW privileges does not reflect a compassion deficit on our part. Rather, it is an important symbolic act which underscores their status as the enemies of humanity. The failure by many of our allies and international humanitarian groups to appreciate this is particularly ironic. Blurring the distinction between lawful and unlawful belligerents, which lies at the very core of modern laws of war, is likely to erode this entire hard-won set of normative principles, disadvantaging both the interests of law-abiding states and making warfare even more destructive and barbarous.

To win the war on terror, the Bush administration must aggressively oppose the continuing efforts--both at home and abroad--to privilege unlawful combatants under the banner of humanitarianism. This issue is too important to be left to the lawyers, and merits the attention of top U.S. policy makers. Anything less would threaten our ability to defend ourselves and embolden the Khalid Sheikh Mohammeds of the world.

Messrs. Rivkin and Casey, lawyers in Washington, served in the Reagan and first Bush administrations.

opinionjournal.com



To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (80653)3/9/2003 12:07:29 PM
From: Rascal  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
We have to listen to what they are telling us.

President BUsh keeps saying 9/11 changed everything.
And we think it means we have to be more careful.
We miss the forest for the trees.
It Changed EVERYTHING as far as President Bush is concerned.
Everything icludes, laws, treaties, alliances, organizations, civil rights, concept of country/nation.

We have been thinking of all the things that can go wrong.
And we have been looking at worst case scenarios based on our present reality of the way things work.

Flash Forward 12 months.
Assume UN, NATO, Alliances are all dead.
"The End the Terrorism in Iraq"
goes sooo smooth. Five days of conflict, now 12 months later we have only 40,000 troops on station.
Korea calmed down when they saw the Shock and Awe.

What else has happened?
The United States implemented its new
"Peaceful Planet Guidelines"
(all countries keep their Name but are now designated as an "A" country , "B" country , "C" Country.
Full information about country designation and how it works WRT Aid, Elections, loans, military protection and integration, taxes and medical coverage is currently under development. )

Since we pay 25% of UN and 60% (Approx) of NATO we might as well MERGE! Merger savings fixes the economy.

Rascal@ maybetheyareaheadofus.com



To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (80653)3/10/2003 12:30:57 AM
From: KLP  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
Thank you Jacob. Re Iraq AND North Korea...This letter to the Editor was in the liberal Seattle Times today...Actually it was their featured letter of the day. The rest on the pages were much more standard "anti-war" "anti-Bush" and the usual etc's. However, this one seemed to capture the problem face on.
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Countdown to war

Doomsday scenario: The blackmailing of America

Editor, The Times:
seattletimes.nwsource.com

Just imagine what a terrorist or rogue state could do once they get their hands on a single nuclear weapon: They could smuggle it into a shipping container headed for New York city. Once there, it could detonate automatically once its GPS locator confirmed it had arrived, or it could be triggered by placing a call to a cellphone attached to the weapon. Millions of people would be killed and the world economy would crumble.

Afterward, the White House might receive an anonymous blackmail message saying that the U.S. has 30 days to sink its entire navy mid-ocean, close all foreign embassies, consulates and military bases, and set fire to the White House, among other crippling and humiliating demands — or else a second weapon would destroy a second American city.

The president would have no alternative other than to order the complete destruction of all questionable nuclear nations.

The fact that such a doomsday scenario could be initiated using just one nuclear weapon should make it clear why President Bush is so obsessive about preventing the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and why he is skeptical of a weapons-inspection program run by a bureaucratic international body in a nation known for its expertise in deception.

Jay Wheatley, Seattle