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To: Snowshoe who wrote (80814)	3/9/2003 9:19:58 PM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Somehow, when I heard about Martin Luther nailing his 95 theses to the church door, I felt liberated from the concept of allegiance to a religion. Year's later I was introduced to the written speeches and books of Robert Green Ingersoll, who became one of my heroes. His florid, 19th century style speech about the "Prattling babe, lying in it's crib, already being consigned to the horrors of an afterlife of hellfire," was the best description of the Doctrine of Predestination I every read. Mark Twain called Ingersoll the best speaker he ever heard. Ingersoll, Robert (Green) (1833, 99) Lawyer and orator, born in Dresden, NewYork, USA. This son of a Congregational minister had little formal education; he read law on his own and was admitted to the Illinois bar in 1854. He commanded a volunteer cavalry regiment during the Civil War; from 1867 to 1869 he served as Illinois attorney general. He then took to the lecture circuit to promote a secular religion of scientific rationalism that Thomas H Huxley called "agnosticism.' Many of his lectures such as "Superstition' were widely reprinted. He was also active in the Republican Party and at the 1876 convention he nominated James G Blaine as "the Plumed Knight.' He moved to Washington, DC, in 1879 and to New York City in 1885, continuing to practice law and propound his social views until his death.

To: Snowshoe who wrote (80814)	3/9/2003 9:40:00 PM
From: marcos	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

'theses' - oh no, are you sure that's right! ... i thought it was faeces, i was saving up ninety-five to nail to the door of the US 'Commerce' department What do you think Snowshoe, which is more important - the rest of the world pretending to like the Bush II bunch getting their war in the manner and timing they want, or building international institutions that work? Not what is more likely, since it's pretty clear who will get their way in this, he who has the WMDs rules, under jungle law ... but what is more important, and on what should we the rest of the world focus at this time?