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To: tejek who wrote (164285)3/14/2003 6:50:12 PM
From: TimF  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1573848
 
1 - I said "I might have pointed it out". I didn't say I will jump on any wild claim.

2 - Including indirectly Saddam may well be responsible for the deaths of millions if only very low millions. That would include all the deaths on both sides of the Iran Iraq war and the Gulf War. plus all of Saddam's victems inside Iraq, plus the deaths as a result of Saddam diverting Iraqs resources to weapons of mass destruction programs while his people suffer. Even if it doesn't reach millions its definitly close enough that I would just call it an exageration. If DRay had said billions, or if the actual deaths where only say 10K and he had said millions I would call it just straight out wrong. But if the actual deaths where in the high hundred thousands and maybe over a million then saying "millions" is at worse an exageration. It might not even be that, it might be literally true.

Tim



To: tejek who wrote (164285)3/14/2003 9:57:54 PM
From: Joe NYC  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1573848
 
Iran Iraq war:
. Because both Iran and Iraq used irregular military units, attacked civilian populations, and played down their own losses while playing up those of their opponents, reliable casualty figures do not exist. For example, Iran claimed to have lost 200,000 or fewer of its own citizens, while Iraq claimed to have killed 800,000 Iranians. Neutral estimates come closer to the Iranian claim but are uncertain. Because of different battlefield techniques, Iraq's deaths were probably about half those suffered by Iran. The total number of people killed almost certainly exceeds 300,000.
geocities.com

No one is sure of the total casualties during the Iran-Iraq war, but estimates range from 500,000 to 1 million dead, 1-2 million wounded, and more than 80,000 prisoners.
idf.il

It is estimated that Iraq suffered 375,000 casualties during the war.
us-israel.org

Gulf War:
- An estimated 100,000 Iraqi soldiers died during Operation Desert Storm between January 17, 1991 and February 28, 1991 (Source: News Reports).

Gulf war plus post war
- More than 1,200,000 civilians in Iraq have died since the start of the Gulf War, when Iraq invaded Kuwait on August 2, 1990 (Source: United Nations and Iraq).
geocities.com

Saddam's war against his own people
1987-1988 Saddam launches the Anfal campaign against the Kurds, in which some 180,000 "disappear." 4,000 villages are razed. Depopulation of large areas of eastern Kurdistan.
iraqfoundation.org

Saddam's troops had slaughtered more than 100,000 Iraqi Kurds and razed 4,500 Kurdish villages in the 1980s.
philly.com

They have not forgotten for example the "Anfal" campaign of 1988 when Saddam's army razed 5,000 villages and massacred over 180,000 non-Arabs. During recent months, in 2001, hundreds of thousands of Kurds have again been evicted from their homes in the Kirkuk region. They are being replaced by Arab settlers brought in by Saddam to "Arabize" and colonize the Kurdish homeland.
mfa.gov.il

Ted,

I don't think my estimates were off mark or an exaggeration.

Joe