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To: Cary Salsberg who wrote (68711)	3/14/2003 7:52:27 PM
From: Sun Tzu	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 70976

> Bush's 5 year plan is a joke. You don't foment hatred for 100 years and kiss and make up in 5. Exactly! I think you are missing at least a zero on the length of the hatred. That is why I said Jacob's proposal of Israel as the 51st state has merits. The average American can deal with both sides better than the average Israeli. BTW, I don't see how any Palestinian government can stop terrorist attacks with its limited resources when Israel never managed to do so itself. You have to admit, as far popular platforms go, killing the other side is very popular in each camp. The only way it can end is by someone dedicating himself to economic and educational prosperity of Palestinians while teaching them the value of peace and compassion. I am afraid I don't see either side qualified for the task. > Hate doesn't matter. I can't agree with you there. Hate matters a lot. It affects everything including how you fight. The single biggest mistake Israel made was not to indoctrinate the Palestinians as well as its own population in brotherhood. They should have made Gandhi the role model for Palestinians and they should have made Buddha the role model for Israelis (or at least principles of the aforementioned figures). Had this been done the issue would have been solved long ago. But I can understand why such ideas would have been too absurd when ideals of people like Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and McCarthy were in vogue. It is the social world's equivalent of being a bull at the height of pessimism. But that is what makes for success. Anyway, there is a saying, "The best time to plant an apple tree is 20 years ago. The next best time is today". As I don't see either side being able to sell compassion to their respective constituents, someone has to step in and force both sides into it.

To: Cary Salsberg who wrote (68711)	3/15/2003 1:26:10 AM
From: Sun Tzu	Respond to of 70976

> Hate doesn't matter. In war, winning or losing matters Now who said this: "There is only one thing that is objectively incontestable for us: We must win. That must guide us!" hint it is the same person who said this: "We are in ... a ... century. It will be won not by good nature, but by manliness and strength. The world is divided by love and hate. To be on firm ground, one must know whom to love and whom to hate." and this: We hate THEM from the bottom of our souls because they threaten our very life, because they oppose our national existence out of envy, jealousy and ill-concealed national pride. I am just showing you how wrong that line of reasoning can get. It starts with a thought that seems reasonable, almost instinctual. BUT anyone who has studied NLP will tell you that we are capable of holding conflicting beliefs...and the wording of how we think directly effects every aspect of our lives. The best solution I have found is to do what we must, but to never let go of compassion. It is the one true safeguard against ourselves. Sun Tzu