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To: lurqer who wrote (14685)3/15/2003 8:45:33 PM
From: Gary Walker  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 89467
 
You don't get it.....

No sane person is FOR WAR. If you do nothing then you will be like the French and others who sold out their beliefs to the Nazis. This is what I don't understand about your position.

The only thing you believe in is NO WAR. It's so simple, yet its so blind. IF everyone felt like you then there would be no need for war. Unfortunately, there are people in this world who want to destroy life and property for their own gain. That is the unfortunate history of mankind. The question is are we willing to defend our freedom or system as flawed as we know it is?

I do believe in your right to express your opinion. I just cannot agree.



To: lurqer who wrote (14685)3/15/2003 8:59:39 PM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
The war of misinformation has begun

By Robert Fisk
The Independent
16 March 2003

All across the Middle East, they are deploying by the thousand. In the deserts of Kuwait, in Amman, in northern Iraq, in Turkey, in Israel and in Baghdad itself. There must be 7,000 journalists and crews "in theatre", as the more jingoistic of them like to say. In Qatar, a massive press centre has been erected for journalists who will not see the war. How many times General Tommy Franks will spin his story to the press at the nine o'clock follies, no one knows. He doesn't even like talking to journalists.

But the journalistic resources being laid down in the region are enormous. The BBC alone has 35 reporters in the Middle East, 17 of them "embedded" – along with hundreds of reporters from the American networks and other channels – in military units. Once the invasion starts, they will lose their freedom to write what they want. There will be censorship. And, I'll hazard a guess right now, we shall see many of the British and American journalists back to their old trick of playing toy soldiers, dressing themselves up in military costumes for their nightly theatrical performances on television. Incredibly, several of the American networks have set up shop in the Kurdish north of Iraq with orders not to file a single story until war begins – in case this provokes the Iraqis to expel their network reporters from Baghdad.

The orchestration will be everything, the pictures often posed, the angles chosen by "minders", much as the Iraqis will try to do the same thing in Baghdad. Take yesterday's front-page pictures of massed British troops in Kuwait, complete with arranged tanks and perfectly formatted helicopters. This was the perfectly planned photo-op. Of course, it won't last.

Here's a few guesses about our coverage of the war to come. American and British forces use thousands of depleted uranium (DU) shells – widely regarded by 1991 veterans as the cause of Gulf War syndrome as well as thousands of child cancers in present day Iraq – to batter their way across the Kuwaiti-Iraqi frontier. Within hours, they will enter the city of Basra, to be greeted by its Shia Muslim inhabitants as liberators. US and British troops will be given roses and pelted with rice – a traditional Arab greeting – as they drive "victoriously" through the streets. The first news pictures of the war will warm the hearts of Messrs Bush and Blair. There will be virtually no mention by reporters of the use of DU munitions.

But in Baghdad, reporters will be covering the bombing raids that are killing civilians by the score and then by the hundred. These journalists, as usual, will be accused of giving "comfort to the enemy while British troops are fighting for their lives". By now, in Basra and other "liberated" cities south of the capital, Iraqis are taking their fearful revenge on Saddam Hussein's Baath party officials. Men are hanged from lamp-posts. Much television footage of these scenes will have to be cut to sanitise the extent of the violence.

Far better for the US and British governments will be the macabre discovery of torture chambers and "rape-rooms" and prisoners with personal accounts of the most terrible suffering at the hands of Saddam's secret police. This will "prove" how right "we" are to liberate these poor people. Then the US will have to find the "weapons of mass destruction" that supposedly provoked this bloody war. In the journalistic hunt for these weapons, any old rocket will do for the moment.

Bunkers allegedly containing chemical weapons will be cordoned off – too dangerous for any journalist to approach, of course. Perhaps they actually do contain VX or anthrax. But for the moment, the all-important thing for Washington and London is to convince the world that the casus belli was true – and reporters, in or out of military costume, will be on hand to say just that.

Baghdad is surrounded and its defenders ordered to surrender. There will be fighting between Shias and Sunnis around the slums of the city, the beginning of a ferocious civil conflict for which the invading armies are totally unprepared. US forces will sweep past Baghdad to his home city of Tikrit in their hunt for Saddam Hussein. Bush and Blair will appear on television to speak of their great "victories". But as they are boasting, the real story will begin to be told: the break-up of Iraqi society, the return of thousands of Basra refugees from Iran, many of them with guns, all refusing to live under western occupation.

In the north, Kurdish guerrillas will try to enter Kirkuk, where they will kill or "ethnically cleanse" many of the city's Arab inhabitants. Across Iraq, the invading armies will witness terrible scenes of revenge which can no longer be kept off television screens. The collapse of the Iraqi nation is now under way ...

Of course, the Americans and British just might get into Baghdad in three days for their roses and rice water. That's what the British did in 1917. And from there, it was all downhill.

Weasel words to watch for

'Inevitable revenge' – for the executions of Saddam's Baath party officials which no one actually said were inevitable.

'Stubborn' or 'suicidal' – to be used when Iraqi forces fight rather than retreat.

'Allegedly' – for all carnage caused by Western forces.

'At last, the damning evidence' – used when reporters enter old torture chambers.

'Officials here are not giving us much access' – a clear sign that reporters in Baghdad are confined to their hotels.

'Life goes on' – for any pictures of Iraq's poor making tea.

'Remnants' – allegedly 'diehard' Iraqi troops still shooting at the Americans but actually the first signs of a resistance movement dedicated to the 'liberation' of Iraq from its new western occupiers.

'Newly liberated' – for territory and cities newly occupied by the Americans or British.

'What went wrong?' – to accompany pictures illustrating the growing anarchy in Iraq as if it were not predicted.

news.independent.co.uk



To: lurqer who wrote (14685)3/16/2003 4:45:28 AM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
Wake Up America

By Tariq A. Al-Maeena
Arab News
SAUDI ARABIA'S FIRST ENGLISH DAILY
16 March 2003 / 13 Muharram 1424
arabnews.com

There is something morbidly fascinating about how President George W. Bush and his administration are going about selling their rationale for war to the rest of the world. And in their singular pursuit to convince the world of their noble intentions, they have chosen to override most established standards of decorum, adopting instead a modus operandi of provocation, intimidation, and deceit.

But what has been emerging is the disturbing truth of an administration building the momentum for war on half-truths and lies. From the false evidence presented to the UN by Bush and Colin Powell, from Tony Blair’s plea to the British Parliament with a dossier written by a student 10 years ago and presented as evidence collected by the British Secret Service, to a myriad of other such inconsistencies, anything will serve on the road to taking out Iraq.

Bush’s sales pitch to the American public is to appeal to naked fear.

Fear that if he stops short of a war, terrorist attacks are imminent. Who could forget the recently launched Code Orange campaign to sow fear and terror among the American and British people? Who can forget the stories of duct tape and poisoned water supplies.

Of Humvees mounted with anti-aircraft batteries deployed in the shadows of the Washington Monument and the Capitol, while machine-gun toting SWAT teams were sent into the streets of New York City. In London, tanks and combat troops patrolled Heathrow Airport. All in a deceptive effort to overcome widespread opposition to war.

Surprisingly the US media made little attempt to critically examine the government’s claims. On the contrary, it accepted every one of these claims as fact, while working to hype the warnings and promote anxiety.

While American eyes remain focused on terrorism and the Iraqi situation, Bush has been pledging billions of dollars to buy friends, but surprisingly hardly a fraction of that amount was earmarked for domestic health care or education.

The charade including the promise of a fortune to countries like Turkey, Angola, Bulgaria, Cameroon and Guinea to name a few.

This is an administration that has demonstrated a quick propensity to label any opposition to their message as pro-terrorist.

On March 9. on CNN, Richard Perle, one of the key architects of the war on Iraq, when faced with allegations of hidden agendas behind the drive for war, dismissed them as nonsense, and branded Seymour M. Herch, a respected journalist uncovering some unpleasant truths behind Mr. Perle’s role, a “terrorist.”

Lest we forget, it was not so long ago that another member of this administration, Attorney General Ashcroft, authorized severe changes in laws protecting individual freedom, and sanctioned eavesdropping on conversations between lawyers and clients in federal custody, one among the many amendments that have silently forged themselves into the legislature.

It has not just stopped at that. The largely compliant US media has also been dragooned into linking Al-Qaeda to the regime of Saddam Hussein without corroborating evidence. Eighteen months after the fact, this administration has yet to offer the American people an explanation of precisely what happened on that September day, choosing instead to zero on Iraq.

The media that has largely chosen to remain silent on the spying and tapping by the National Security Agency into the phones and correspondence of UN members deemed swing voters on Mr. Bush’s war.

Would the New York Times, the LA Times or the Washington Post care to elaborate on the media campaign to discredit nations that have publicly stood out against any US-introduced resolutions?

Do not allow your conscience to be blinded by a fabricated assault on your patriotism by a government with hidden agendas and a largely muted media.

The price tag would be the loss of countless innocent people, a people who have meant you no harm.

And if the war does indeed begin, then you will be fed what you are meant to see. The Pentagon has made that very clear.

Should war start in the Gulf, the Pentagon proposes to take radical new steps in media relations — “unauthorized” journalists will be shot at. Speaking on The Sunday Show on Ireland’s RTE1 last Sunday, veteran war reporter Kate Adie said she had been warned by a senior Pentagon official that uplinks, i.e. TV broadcasts or satellite phones, that are detected by US aircraft are likely to be fired on.

What are they afraid of?

Perhaps the sight of civilians being blown up may be too much to digest for the evening news viewer stateside.

The UN must let the inspections continue for as long as necessary. Let all weaponry deemed offensive be destroyed. Let the truth be told. But save humanity from destruction. There is no threat to the United States. Dictators like Saddam and others around him will not be able to survive for long. But do not sow the seeds for future terrorism and dictatorship by being strong-armed into a war where all will be losers.

Centuries ago, Julius Caesar said: Beware the leader who beats the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into patriotic fervor, for patriotism is a double-edged sword. It emboldens the blood and narrows the mind.

And when the drums of war have reached fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need to seize the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar.

Arab News Features 15 March 2003



To: lurqer who wrote (14685)3/16/2003 5:23:18 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
A tale of preemptive strikes gone wrong



Napoleon's Blunders
By Margaret Atwood
Editorial
The Los Angeles Times
March 16, 2003

[Margaret Atwood won the Booker Prize for her novel "The Blind Assassin." Her latest book, "Oryx and Crake," will be published in May 2003.]

TORONTO -- In my high school music appreciation class, we listened to Tchaikovsky's "1812 Overture". We liked it, because there was stuff we could identify: Cannons boomed, bells rang, national anthems resounded and there was a satisfying uproar at the end.

The English -- being English -- have since produced a version performed by sheep and chickens. Generals screw up, their fiascoes get made into art and then the art gets made into fiascoes. Such is the march of progress.

We were told that Tchaikovsky's piece celebrated Napoleon's retreat from Moscow, but we weren't told who Napoleon was or what he was doing in Moscow in the first place. So, in case you had a similarly vague musical appreciation experience, here's the deep background.

Napoleon was a brilliant soldier who rose like a bubble during a time of unrest and bloodletting, won many battles and was thus able -- like Julius Caesar -- to grab near-absolute power. He got hold of Italy and Austria and Prussia and Spain. He replaced the French Republic with an emperor -- himself -- thus giving rise to much impressive furniture with eagles and columns on it. He also brought in a legal code, still somewhat admired today.

He had laudable motives, or so his spin-doctoring went: He wanted peace and justice and European unity. But he thought it would be liberating for other countries to have their stifling religious practices junked and their political systems replaced with one like his. To this end, he scrapped the kings of other countries and created new kings, who happened to be members of his own family.

Which brings me to Napoleon's two biggest mistakes. The first was Spain. Napoleon got Spain treacherously. He had an agreement whereby he could march through it on the way to Portugal, which was bothering him by interfering with his sanctions against trading with the British. Once his armies were in Spain he took the place over, whereupon his forces engaged in their usual practices of priest-pestering, church-looting and removing sparkly things and artworks to other locations for safekeeping.

Napoleon's big mistake was underestimating the religious feelings of the staunchly Roman Catholic Spanish. He thought they'd embrace "liberation," but it seems they had a curious attachment to their own beliefs. The British annoyed Napoleon in Spain by winning battles against him, but the real defeat of the French was brought about by widespread guerrilla resistance.

Things got very nasty on both sides: The Spaniards cut French throats, the French roasted Spaniards alive, the Spaniards sawed a French general in two. The Spanish population won -- although at enormous cost -- because you can kill some of the people all of the time and you can kill all of the people some of the time but you can't kill all of the people all of the time. When a whole population hates you, and hates you fanatically, it's difficult to rule.

Present leaders, take note: Never underestimate the power of religious fervor. Also: Your version of what's good for them may not match theirs.

Napoleon's second big mistake was invading Russia. There's no one clear explanation for this. He didn't need to do it. Russia wasn't attacking him, though it had in the past and might in the future. Maybe he just wanted to add it to his set. In any case, he invaded. When his horse stumbled as he crossed the Dnieper -- a bad omen -- a voice said from the shadows: "A Roman would have turned back."

Warfare at that time meant forcing your opponent to stand and fight, resulting in victory on one side or the other. But the Russians merely retreated, burning crops as they went and leading Napoleon deeper and deeper into the same huge Russian landmass and awful Russian weather that also defeated Hitler.

When Napoleon reached Moscow, he thought maybe he'd "won," but the Russians burned Moscow and retreated again. Napoleon hung around the cinders, expecting the czar to sue for peace, but no message arrived. Thus the retreat, the "1812 Overture" and the decimation of the Grand Army. As others have learned since, it's very hard to defeat an enemy who never turns up.

The occupation of Japan after the Second World War has been proposed as a model for Iraq. It's not a helpful comparison.

First, the religious fervor of the Japanese soldier was attached to the emperor, who thus had the power to order a surrender. Iraq will have no such single authority. Second, Japan is an island: No Russian-style, Afghan-style retreat was possible. Third, the Japanese had no neighbors who shared their religious views and might aid them. They had only two choices: death or democracy.

Iraq on the other hand has many coreligionist neighbors who will sympathize with it, however repugnant they've previously found Hussein. A foreign occupation -- not immediately, but in the long run -- is less likely to resemble MacArthur in Japan than Napoleon in Spain.

Now you know about the "1812 Overture". That moment -- after which Napoleon plummeted and the French Empire dissolved -- was the hinge on which the rest of the 19th century turned, as the First World War was the hinge for the 20th. When a door swings open, you never know what will come through it. And as Napoleon himself believed, the fortunes of war, being notoriously unpredictable, are ruled by the Goddess of Chance.
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This article also ran in the British newspaper the Independent.

latimes.com



To: lurqer who wrote (14685)3/16/2003 9:39:16 AM
From: Clappy  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 89467
 
There's a pretty good piece on CBS's Sunday Morning about
Iraq and our military.

Perhaps it hasn't aired out by you other time zones yet.