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To: stockman_scott who wrote (14843)3/18/2003 12:05:16 AM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 89467
 
Speaking of the height of unethical behavior..........

The Guardian - AKA left wing rag from the UK

"The Guardian, has quoted a source close to the administration as saying"

Why is the Guardian the only source of these LIES?

"There is no calculating the understatement here. There was never any serious diplomacy involved here to begin with. This has been a disaster, and IMO it is about to get worse by orders of magnitude."

How many lies did the Guarding tell here?

"The weapons inspectors, empowered by UN resolution 1441 to ferret out the weapons everyone is so concerned about, have packed their bags and fled Iraq. They have been betrayed by the Bush administration, by Tony Blair and by Spain, as they worked to protect us from both these weapons and from the dreadful effects of a war in the Middle East."

More lies. 12 years & 17 sanctions have gone by. It's been 5 months since 1441 demended IMMEDIATE & COMPLETE disarming of all WMD. Tonight Blix delivered a 60++ page report to the UN (per FOX & MSNBC tv) that shows Iraq is still grossly in material breech of Resolution 1441.

"The inspections were working – weapons were being dismantled, Hussein was under control, and no mass destruction materials were found. The fact that the hammer has come down before these inspectors were even half done with their work means, simply, that those pushing for war never wanted the inspections to work in the first place."

Blix report tonight proves these are simply lies. Resloution 1441 said FULL, IMMEDIATE & COMPLETE disarming, not 5+ months from now we still haven't found squat even though we (the UN) know with certainty about these WMD & WMD programs.

"The Arab news service Al Jazeera, operating out of Qatar, will capture images of thousands and thousands of Iraqi civilians laying shattered and bloody in the Baghdad streets, in a manner quite like the bodies we saw in New York on September 11. The resulting explosion of rage within the moderate and extremist Muslim world could be immediate and ferocious."

HMMMMM, stated with such certainty even though that is completely contrary what the Bush Administration & all military leaders have said. I guess the Guardian knows better than anyone, 'eh?

I'll stop here as it's obvious that the Guardian & you Scott have absolutely no morals or ethics at this time of crisis. There are no lies that you won't give credibility to....... and it's all politically motivated hate.

You are one sick person.



To: stockman_scott who wrote (14843)3/18/2003 12:07:09 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 89467
 
Blix report shows little uncovered

By Deborah Hastings / Associated Press
Sunday, March 16, 2003

UNITED NATIONS -- What has Hans Blix uncovered during more than four months of weapons inspections in Iraq? Not an awful lot, according to his latest report, which nonetheless runs 173 dense pages.

Former U.N. inspectors say it is not surprising. The new experts who arrived in November are far less experienced in the ways of chemical warfare than their predecessors, and they have far less time.

And, like the inspectors who arrived after the 1991 Persian Gulf War, these experts work in the surreal atmosphere of being misled by the Iraqis who are required to help them.

"It took us 4 1/2 years to find they had a biological weapons program," said former inspector Terence Taylor, a retired British Army colonel. "It's ridiculous to think that this can be done in a few months."

A separate document on chemical agents was delivered by Iraq to inspectors on Friday, but its contents haven't been made public. Tomorrow, Blix will present yet another report to the Security Council, this one laying out a work schedule for inspectors in Iraq, which is expected to cover months.

But the United States and its allies, Britain and Spain, think Iraq has been given more than enough time and are threatening war.

With the Security Council deadlocked on whether to authorize military force against Iraq, the findings of the United Nations inspectors are manipulated by all sides.

"We've been down this road before," said Secretary of State Colin Powell, who believes inspections are futile, and told the Security Council so on March 7, after Blix presented his report.

Among other things, Powell cited the report's length as proof that Iraq is violating U.N. Resolution 1441, which requires Iraq to "immediately, unconditionally and actively" disarm itself of all weapons banned after the Gulf War -- most importantly, the vast stockpiles it was believed to have had of chemical and biological weapons including anthrax, mustard gas and the deadly VX nerve agent.

"If it was real disarmament," Powell said, the report "would be thousands and thousands of pages on gas, chemical agents" and the like.

Blix, however, said recently that Iraq's cooperation had moved from reluctant to "proactive" -- albeit largely because of American and British troops massed in the region. When Blix ordered Iraq to begin destroying its Al Samoud 2 missiles by March 1, the Iraqis reluctantly did so.

The Al Samoud 2, however, is a conventional weapon. Former inspectors said such weaponry is not the real problem.

"It's all a charade, as far as I'm concerned," said Richard Spertzel, former head investigator for biochemical weapons under the United Nations Special Committee (UNSCOM), the previous inspection team, who made 40 trips to Iraq before inspectors left the country in 1998.

"So they've agreed to destroy Al Samoud 2 missiles and maybe once every few days they let them talk to a scientist," Spertzel said. "At that rate, maybe in 2103, we'll get Iraq disarmed."

Blix's 12th quarterly report, titled "Unresolved Disarmament Issues" is really a bureaucratic database with more than 1 million entries from unnamed government intelligence, old U.N. inspection reports, and Iraqi government documents, to name a few sources, given to the new inspectors. Blix's report documents the inspectors' efforts to prioritize and then verify the information.

There are about 150 inspectors and staff currently in Iraq. Before the current round of inspections began in November, the country had not been monitored since 1998, when UNSCOM chief weapons inspector Richard Butler, known for candor and controversy, ordered inspectors to leave Iraq without consulting the Security Council.

Butler's aggressive team had fallen apart amid accusations that inspectors were spying for Israel and the United States. That taint, former inspectors said, resulted in many UNSCOM observers not being allowed into Iraq with Blix's new team.

"There is a lack of expertise," said Jonathan Tucker, a former inspector and current senior fellow at the Washington, D.C.-based U.S. Institute of Peace. "Most of the (new) inspectors came from chemical or biochemical technology and had no experience with weapons systems."

The inspectors are not identified to protect their safety and credibility. Tucker said a good friend is on the new team and describes his efforts as "running from one wild goose chase to another because the intelligence they're getting is just terrible."

In at least one case, that intelligence was a lie.

Mohamed ElBaradei, the chief U.N. nuclear inspector, told the council that correspondence purporting to show that Iraq attempted to purchase enriched uranium from Niger was found to be forged.

Tucker called the false documents "an embarrassment," saying the incident "raises the question of who forged the documents" and whether the inspectors are deliberately being fed wrong information.

Neither Blix nor ElBaradei has disclosed the source of the fake documents. Thus far, Blix told the council on March 7 that Iraq has dropped its opposition and allowed spy planes to fly over the country; that interviews with scientists were being conducted, but the process was not without "remaining shortcomings"; and that despite intelligence information about mobile biological weapons and laboratories, no evidence supporting those claims had been found.

Iraq has also opened a pit where it says it dumped stocks of anthrax and VX, along with neutralizing agents, in 1991. Iraq has asked inspectors to analyze soil samples to verify the unilateral destruction.

Blix doubts that will work. "If you pour(ed) some milk into the ground 10 years ago, then analyze the soil ... it might not be so easy to see whether it was one liter or two liters or 100 liters," he told the council.

milforddailynews.com



To: stockman_scott who wrote (14843)3/18/2003 12:16:57 AM
From: American Spirit  Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 89467
 
I fear you are at least partly right



To: stockman_scott who wrote (14843)3/18/2003 10:41:58 AM
From: abuelita  Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 89467
 
s2-

here's one who agrees with you that diplomacy
failed ...

The U.S. and Britain blamed the threat of a French veto for not pursuing their resolution at the United Nations authorizing military action. This was humbug designed to camouflage the diplomatic disaster these countries suffered at the UN, where a clear majority of the Security Council members opposed them.

globeandmail.com

btw - the globe and mail is not a left wing rag.

r1