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To: Fred Levine who wrote (68797)	3/18/2003 8:48:05 AM
From: Gary Ng	Respond to of 70976

Re: I am impressed by the American trend to unify around our leader when the nation is in crises I am impressed too and it is one of the reason why USA is the strongest nation though whether it is in a crisis and such a unity is a good thing, is another matter.

To: Fred Levine who wrote (68797)	3/18/2003 8:52:44 AM
From: thames_sider	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

Thatcher survived attacks during the Falklands The attacks then, as I recall, were mostly from the left of a much more old-style Socialist Labour party - that of Benn, Foot and the like. These revolved around such actions as the sinking of the Belgrano (Argie battleship) when it was within, but possibly leaving, the conflict zone... not something to give most leaders qualms. And even then, I believe there were few reputable critics of the war itself or its necessity - it helped that Galtieri was yet another revolting dictator, so hardly a friend to the left. I think the only damage Thatcher might have incurred was the resignation on a matter of honour of - I think - Carrington (who had been Foreign Secretary) for not anticipating the Argentine invasion, and/or for sending them the wrong diplomatic signals about British intentions for the Falklands. Maybe it's a FS speciality, both having principles and resigning over them... a dangerous omen for Powell. I hope you're wrong over terrorism, but I think the recruiters for extremism will be laughing...

To: Fred Levine who wrote (68797)	3/18/2003 9:02:04 AM
From: zonder	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 70976

My own view is that this war could have been averted in several ways. One of them being french and German support for real disarmament. The others are Bush showing more patience, and lastly, Saddam complying. You are assuming that this was is really about some WMDs that nobody can prove exists. Please explain "French & German support for real disarmement". I am impressed by the American trend to unify around our leader when the nation is in crises A trend that Bush is not riding very well. Recent polls suggest his support is below 50% if he goes to war without UN approval. That is apparently the lowest approval rating for any US wartime president. The UK falls apart after crises. That is perhaps because UK elects not a President who reigns as "King of the Mountain" for some years, but a Prime Minister who is held in constant check by other elected members of the state. You might find Robin Cook's resignation speech interesting: news.bbc.co.uk