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To: JohnM who wrote (83340)	3/18/2003 12:20:08 PM
From: stockman_scott	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Re: War in the Ruins of Diplomacy John: I honestly believe that our President and his Administration have let us all down...Effective diplomacy is like running a marathon and they stopped after the first 5 kilometer mark...It became clear quite some time ago that they were NOT committed to running the race for a peaceful resolution to disarming Iraq. IMO, it will eventually become apparent to mainstream America that bad diplomacy will have a devastating impact -- 'that sacrificing the UN and NATO was not worth the price of dealing with Iraq militarily right now.' Even Harvard's Michael Ignatieff has acknowledged that The Bush Administration has done a lot of damage to American prestige and credibility...The unilateral use of force in 'a pre-emptive way' may come back to haunt us for years to come. -s2

To: JohnM who wrote (83340)	3/18/2003 1:01:24 PM
From: stockman_scott	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

War is not in U.S. interest By Justin Raimondo* Op/Ed - USA TODAY Tue Mar 18, 6:48 AM ET story.news.yahoo.com <<...* How does this war serve America's vital interests? The president says Iraq ''threatens its neighbors,'' but only one of those neighbors wants war. As Patrick Buchanan succinctly put it: ''For whose benefit are these endless wars in a region that holds nothing vital to America save oil, which the Arabs must sell us to survive? Who would benefit from a war of civilizations between the West and Islam? Answer: one nation, one leader, one party. Israel, Sharon, Likud.''...>> <<...* What are the costs? After White House economic adviser Larry Lindsey gave an estimate of up to $200 billion, he was fired. Initial costs are estimated by Pentagon officials at $60 billion to $95 billion, but that's just a warm-up. The Congressional Budget Office says the first month of combat will cost $10 billion, and $8 billion for each month thereafter. Having alienated our longtime allies, the U.S. is going bear these costs alone. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld disdains estimates as ''not a useful exercise.'' He's right, because it is likely that war will spread throughout the Middle East...>> ___________________________________________________ *Justin Raimondo is editorial director of Antiwar.com and author of Reclaiming the American Right: The Lost Legacy of the Conservative Movement.

To: JohnM who wrote (83340)	3/18/2003 1:20:51 PM
From: Sig	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

<<<Bill Clinton worked hard to infuse that role with America's traditions of idealism, internationalism and multilateralism.>>>> Saying cant we all just,just, just,just, get along. ? <<Under George W. Bush, however, Washington has charted a very different course. Allies have been devalued and military force overvalued.>>> World has to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21 st Century. There will actually be to parallel worlds, one where the older French can sit around the the outside tables and reminisce about the Gay Paree follies or recollect their adventures in two world wars The other world where really useful work needs to be down is for the government to respond to events as they occur, which needs a vision of some sort , some plan for the future, in order to compute the best way to respond As has been the case for years, the American spirit which was well known to that great French author Jules Verne, will be in the forefront . We are the ones who went to the moon, as he predicted 90 years earlier. We will also be the first to land men on Mars. We will be the first to put lasers in space that can strike precisely any spot on earth to destroy missiles in flight before they can do damage. To burn out terrorist camps. The French have a good Space program I think we are working together on it. With terrorism on the rise, why do they have to make enemies of the US and thus lose a chance to be a part of , have a voice in, whatever technology that will be developed to insure peace.? The US does support other countries technology developments, like CERN IMO French will be back on board , but their dang wine industry is going to take a big hit first. If Jules Verne could do it, some other Frenchman can do it too- find some vision for your country . Get some Scientists involved in your Political structure ! Or you are stuck with ours Sig