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To: zonder who wrote (68906)	3/20/2003 6:42:50 AM
From: E. T.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

"Just like among Arabs, who feel the study of the Quran is the highest calling. Do you know what "hafez" means? It is someone who can recite the Quran from memory, someone who has memorized it cover to cover." I'd be interested to know if the foregoing is true or not, but this is what I've heard.... In the Madras or Muslim religious schools, text interpretation is not allowed or is frowned upon, memorization of the Quran is the goal. I've seen Jewish bibles, like the Torah, that have commentary that runs alongside the religious text (sometimes even contradictory commentary) and I understand that in jewish religious schools it is okay to debate what a passage might mean, but that sort of thing is not kosher (lol) in Muslim religious schools. Do you know if in Muslim religious schools new meanings or hidden meanings are actively pursued as I know they are in Hebrew religious study?

To: zonder who wrote (68906)	3/20/2003 11:10:09 AM
From: Cary Salsberg	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 70976

RE: "Here is a Jewish source about the Jews who were around at the time:" Your "source" says: No writings of the Jews of Arabia survive and the only main sources of information on these Jews are the Koran and the Hadith (a collection of deeds and teachings of Mohammed) both of which are hostile to the Jews and both of which are also the ultimate testament of Mohammed's crimes against the Jews. I have no idea about the historical accuracy of the Koran and the Hadith. Maybe, you have insights. RE: "The references were to how much more intelligent Jews are to the rest of humanity, as evidenced by number of acclaimed Jewish scientists, and especially Jewish Nobel Prize winners. Or about how they should take care not to marry a non-Jew so as not to dilute their precious gene pool of superior characteristics. Or about how Jewish women are really pretty and Jewish men are really handsome (true in most cases, actually :-) and that is proof that they should preserve the Jewish line." You seem to have fallen on what, to me, is a group of very unenlightened Jews whose statements provide counterexamples to their hypothesis. RE: "I don't know which countries you have lived in, but this statement is woefully wrong." There are 2 centers of Jewish population left in the world, New York City and Israel. Compare the percent of college graduates among these populations to any other populations. With NYC, the data goes back over 100 years, with Isael, 50. The discrepancy you will find is cultural. Just as the fact that there were 10 Jewish Nobel Prize winners in Germany before WW2 is cultural, not racial. RE: "And "all Arabs are bloodthirsty thugs". Right." Your term applied to the Lebanese Christian army. In that context, yes, all Arab armies have met that distinction. This has been resolved in previous posts. You are free to disagree and cite the behavior of an Arab army that will prove a counterexample. RE: "And your point was...?" There is a huge difference between the tradition of talmudic study and the memorization of a holy book. The Talmud is a collection of legal interpretations. The study of Talmud is the study of law. Jewish law has been developed by scholars, not clerics. Judaism is, fundamentally, a legal system based on the Torah and the Talmud. Scholarship is fundamental to the religion.