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To: Cary Salsberg who wrote (68913)	3/20/2003 11:40:40 AM
From: zonder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

If you are really claiming there were no Jews around at the time? I suggest you take some time on Google before answering this question. If you are claiming the above, I will take a look at sources more acceptable to you. There are 2 centers of Jewish population left in the world, New York City and Israel. Compare the percent of college graduates among these populations to any other populations. And that must be because "Jews are a scholarly people"? It couldn't be correlated highly to average financial position? You are probably familiar with how pretty much everyone with the means to go to college DOES go to college in a place like New York. If the Jewish community of New York has more college graduates than the African, Arab, or Chinese communities, it might have something to do with the fact that the latter groups send their kids predominantly to work in McDonalds. If you can find a study of college graduates by ethnic community and relative average household incomes, I would be very interested to see it. And if we are to compare college gratuates in Israel to those in other countries, I suggest this study include the former Soviet Union as well. By the way, our point was not who has more college graduates but "interest in things intellectual": >>>Contrast this with the generally low interest in things intellectual among most peoples in most countries.<<< I don't know which countries you have lived in, but this statement is woefully wrong. Here, obviously, I was challenging your assertion that "most peoples in most countries" have a low interest in "things intellectual". That is why I asked which countries you have lived in before. Would you care to give an example of a country where the people, in your opinion, have low interest in "things intellectual"? Your term applied to the Lebanese Christian army. No. That is how I used the term "bloodthirsty thugs". You, however, said "all Arabs are bloodthirsty thugs". Look back at your post: Message 18712373

To: Cary Salsberg who wrote (68913)	3/20/2003 6:01:40 PM
From: Clarksterh	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

The discrepancy you will find is cultural. Just as the fact that there were 10 Jewish Nobel Prize winners in Germany before WW2 is cultural, not racial. Would that it were so easy to separate out culture from heredity. For every argument for there is another against, and vice versa. (BTW - I am not saying it isn't cultural, just that that is a notoriously difficult thing to determine and that is a sign that it probably isn't that important from where the differences arise.) BTW - Where does one go now to find commentary on Applied Materials? -g-

To: Cary Salsberg who wrote (68913)	3/21/2003 9:29:28 AM
From: Fred Levine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 70976

Colin Berry, a friend of mine in London, did research on the origin of Nobel Prize winners in science. I have a copy of his article, over 20 years ago on the results. They were enormously disproportionately Jewish -- and surprisingly, bible-belt Americans. In a moment I treasure, he traced the origin of these winners to, "Some obscure college in New York." He was, of course, referring to City College of NY, where I went. I explained the intensity of how children of immigrants were hungry to learn. It was Jewish and now it is Asian and Caribbean. In addition, my memory from reading of history, is that Muhammad made overtures to learn from the Jews, but that he was coldly rejected. I don't recall that the Jews tried to harm Muhammad. fred