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To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (84906)3/22/2003 11:32:04 AM
From: paul_philp  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
You don't have the ability to reason and your conclusions are specious.

Karen,

A little like a personal attack, n'est pas?

Time for a coffee break.

Paul



To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (84906)3/22/2003 11:47:37 AM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
when you say - a lie - that I or anyone could ever support Saddam. How completely disingenuous to try to impugn my character with such a lie.

Karen, where people get it mixed up is that the truth is that you are not supporting Saddam. I totally agree with you on that.

But you must understand that, like it or not, Saddam is supporting you. He is counting on you and others in the World wide Anti-War movement to save his bacon for him. His whole defense is based on holing up in Baghdad and creating enough casualties that the horrified people of the world will force our Administration to cut a deal with him.

This is not going to work. But it is his strategy.



To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (84906)3/22/2003 12:44:39 PM
From: w0z  Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 281500
 
Let’s Give Genocide A Chance
March 14, 2003
The Real Goal of America’s Anti-War Crowd

Here’s an idea: Let’s give genocide a chance in Iraq.

And let's give torture and maiming and rape a chance, too. Especially the government-sponsored kind of rape where kids are forced to watch as their mothers are bound and ravaged repeatedly by filthy, leering monsters in army uniforms.

But why stop there? Let's give this other unique type of family outing a chance. After the mom is bloodied and gang raped, let's let her and the kids watch as her husband has his body beaten, eyes gouged out, private parts singed with electric prods, tongue and ears cut off and his head blown apart by a goon with a gun.

And who wouldn't want to give this fine form of human sport a chance to flourish: Forcing gasoline down a man's gagging throat and then putting a match to his mouth and watching his body explode?

If you're disgusted, you should be. Because there are now millions of Americans who are passionately fighting for the right of men to rape women, torture kids and blow out the brains of innocent people. These supporters of rape, torture and murder are America's leftists, anti-war protesters, worthless poets, college professors, most Democrats and knee-jerk George W. Bush and America haters.

In their opposition to the coming U.S. invasion of Iraq they are supporting Saddam Hussein. And in supporting Hussein they are shouting loudly to the world: Give genocide a chance!

What else could they be saying? It's no secret that Hussein is the worst thing since the Jew-burning Hitler, the Ukrainian-starving Joe Stalin and the weird Cambodian Pol Pot, whose idea of a utopian, agrarian society was to murder two million people.

Why would anybody oppose the idea of the U.S. using any and every means possible to oust a murdering, torturing, raping tyrant unless they supported rape, torture and murder?

The only conclusion is that they think Hussein is a swell guy and that his frequent spasms of genocide against his own people and his vow to destroy Israel and kill millions of Jews are worthwhile pursuits.

Actually, they don't. If Hussein and his monsters were to descend on Berkeley and start raping political science and womens studies professors the anti-war crowd would don their berets and march in the streets (If Hussein were in power there they'd be shot or hauled off to prison where they'd be tortured and raped). But, by God, they would be angry. They'd get the city council to pass a resolution denouncing rape and murder and, who knows, they might even beg the U. S. military to protect them.

And that's the ugly, sickening secret of the anti-war crowd, the New York artsy elite and the Ted Kennedy's of America. When it comes to freedom, safety and security they're selfish pigs. They've got theirs, and everyone else can go to hell--or to a dungeon to be beaten, raped and murdered.

They must be protected from rapist and murders, but 24 million Iraqis don't deserve the same. They must be free to march, oppose government and demand laws that require that pet owners be called pet guardians, but when Iraqis are gunned down for demanding an end to government-sponsored mass murder, they don't deserve the help and protection of those who are already free.

The anti-war people smugly talk about the immorality of the coming U.S. war and death it will bring to Iraqis. But they apparently don't think it's immoral for Hussein to kill his own people.

Their tiny minds shudder when thinking about the deaths of children that U.S. economic sanctions against Iraq have supposedly caused (a bogus charge, by the way), but the fact that Hussein beheads children doesn't cause their consciences to throb even a tiny bit.

They've got their freedom, and damn if they'll lift a finger to give anyone else theirs. They're special, and the rest of the world's people are meant to be slaves, torture toys for demented dictators and fuel for concentration camp ovens.

It's always been that way with this crowd. During the Cold War they were offended that America stood down the slave-driving Soviets. That the Russians had made slaves out of Poles, Czechs, Hungarians, Ukrainians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Estonians, Bulgarians, Germans, Albanians, Yugoslavians and Romanians didn't matter to them. They had their freedom, so the hell with everyone else.

And who knows, maybe they thought it was quaint that all those slaves had to stand in lines for five hours to buy lumps of lard for dinner After all, if there were no oppressed people they'd have nothing to write anguished poetry about.

But these people can’t hide behind their sanctimonious indignation against war. The world knows that Hussein is a baby Hitler and that he wants to rape, torture, kill and kill some more. By opposing America’s attempts to oust Hussein, they’re supporting him. And in supporting him, they’re approving of mass murder, the beheading of children, rape, the poking out of eyes and the severing of tongues and ears.

Imagine for a moment the screams of those Iraqi women who are being raped by Hussein’s goons and of the kids who are being forced to watch their parents being shot, and then think of all those bearded poets, anti-war protesters and America haters.

Isn’t it wonderful that they want to give genocide a chance?

zalski.com



To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (84906)3/22/2003 9:33:07 PM
From: JustTradeEm  Respond to of 281500
 
How completely disingenuous to try to impugn my character with such a lie.

You never answered his question Karen.

Actually, in my estimation, you impugn your own integrity with posts reflecting your bitterness towards your country and its' men and women in uniform.

JB