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To: Bridge Player who wrote (15249)	3/22/2003 9:18:05 PM
From: Mannie	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 89467

I believe you completely missed JW's point on the Kurdish situation. They do have to be dealt with, and I don't necessarily mean militarily. They are the largest ethnic population without a land of their own, they are the largest minority in northern Iran, northern Iraq, southern Turkey and also in Jordan. Turkey has shown the ability to not go with the flow that the US wishes, as we saw in their vote to not allow the US to advance on Iraq from their soil, who knows how they will approach the Kurds. Turkey does not want to see the Kurds gain any power. The Turkish/Kurdish situation could prove to be a very big deal. Also, the US let the Kurds down in a big way after the first Gulf War, I am sure they will hesitate to trust us completely, this time around. They will be looking to take control of their fate when they see the opportunity.

To: Bridge Player who wrote (15249)	3/22/2003 9:25:39 PM
From: lurqer	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 89467

To be a good Bridge Player one needs an analytical mind so let's analyze What kind of idiot are you, anyway? We won't be fighting the Kurds. Saddam gassed them, remember? They hate him as much as the rest of the Iraqi citizens!! First Saddam gassed them, remember? Are you sure? I’ve seen conflicting reports. Maybe Saddam, maybe Iran. Certainly both would like to suppress the Kurds? And somebody gassed them. Me, I don’t know who. They hate him as much as the rest of the Iraqi citizens No argument here. Saddam is widely hated by Iraqis and by Kurds in particular. We won't be fighting the Kurds Well here we run into a problem. I don’t know for sure that we’ll be fighting the Kurds, but I can think of several scenarios where we would. Most of these scenarios hinge on Kirkuk – both the town and the oil fields. If we support the Turks, I can almost guarantee will be fighting the Kurds. Currently, the situation is far too fluid to make any firm predictions. What kind of idiot are you, anyway? O.K. here I can help you. He is a well known Jackass. lurqer

To: Bridge Player who wrote (15249)	3/23/2003 1:17:19 AM
From: Jim Willie CB	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 89467

hey BridgeMan, before you hurl nasties, try turning brain on I am hardly an idiot, and have thought this through miles deeper than you have you sound like a typical history-deficient American so listen up and expand your perceptions of what is at stake I offer you this free modern history lesson, and political chess pre-game setup how incredibly shallow most American war spectators are !!! the CIA in 1998 concluded Iran probably gassed Kurds Iran used cyanide gas, Saddam used mustard gas the Kurds were gassed with cyanide, according to CIA but the US Military prefers to allow shallow Americans like you to continue to believe the wrong press reports, since it keeps our hatred of Saddam strong "a man who gassed his own people" -- how terrible except it was Iran following the Gulf War in 1991, we severely pissed off Kurds since then, we have promised them help repeatedly and continued to let them down with nothing a few coup attempts failed in the 1990's, with an Iraqi Democratic Group and Kurds each suffering numerous executions I think their name was Iraq National Congress, not certain I believe this Congress has formed an Iraqi Govt in Exile this multi-faceted conflict might be too complex for you if so, then go back to watching WrestleMania on TV WE WONT BE FIGHTING THE KURDS you miss the point entirely probably due to your extreme ignorance on the subject we will have to "handle the Kurds" they want their homeland they want badly their city of Kirkuk back it is rich with oil, possibly the richest Iraqi oilfield of course, Kurds hate Saddam please read this carefully, so you can learn with the Kurds taking back Kirkuk and its oilfields, they will have sufficient money to battle with Turkey, our supposed ally, and attempt to reclaim some Kurdish land within the Turkish border is all this new to you??? you sound like an arrogant but ignorant asshole in case you are unaware, Turkey has amassed troops on the border of Iraq now they are rumored to be inside Iraqi borders even they do not want the Kurds to have any homeland, nor to establish a new nation of Kurdistan they do not want the Kurds to get a grip on that oil revenue I believe the Americans have promised to assist the Kurds in establishing a homeland nation, which would by default include ownership of oil riches THIS WOULD ENFURIATE TURKEY AND EVEN THREATEN THEIR MEMBERSHIP IN N.A.T.O. have you ever heard of NATO? now it gets even more complicated Iran houses many Kurds also within its borders and since gassed by Iran, they despise Iranian Islamics who run that govt Iranian Kurds hate Saddam also, but they also dislike Iraqi Kurds Turkish Kurds are aligned with Iraqi Kurds closely the Iraqi Kurds have on numerous occasions assisted Turkish Kurds in terrorist bombings of Turkish leaders and buildings just to complicate matters, there are some Syrian Kurds with their own agenda THE KURDISH PROBLEM IS AN ABSOLUTE TINDERKEG is all this new to you? did you know about 4 types of Kurds? did you know the Turks disagree loudly with the USA over the "Kurdish problem" are you aware that the Kurdish situation was the main sticking point for Turkey's Govt to refuse use of their land for infantry invasion of Iraq ??? I BELIEVE BEFORE THIS IS OVER THE USA WILL BACK A KURDISH STATE AND MILITARILY CONFRONT TURKEY, WHO WILL STOP OUR EFFORTS !!! THE KURDISH SITUATION WILL BE UTTERLY EXPLOSIVE WE WILL HAVE TO HANDLE THE KURDS CAREFULLY AND DELICATELY THE KURDISH PROBLEM WILL HAVE TO BE HANDLED CAREFULLY WE COULD SEE TURKS, IRANIANS, KURDS, AND AMERICANS ALL IN A BATTLE A 4-SIDED BATTLE the entire Arab world will be watching Arabs harbor far more sympathy to Kurds than to Turks I hope you enjoyed your little remedial lesson on Kurds take your abuse and shove it up your sphincter your grade on this history lesson is "D" now wise up or get lost I also found Bridge to be a boring game international geopolitics is much more full of intrigue dont you think ??? next time you butt in, do your homework I regard three areas to remain extremely explosive all three will require handling, militarily and diplomatically 1. the Kurdish situation 2. the Saudi Royal Family stability 3. terrorist acts upcoming in Israel / jim

To: Bridge Player who wrote (15249)	3/23/2003 5:15:56 AM
From: Raymond Duray	Respond to of 89467

BP, You seem to have struck a rich nerve by coming across as an unsophisticated and uninformed dolt. Congratulations. We're here to help. Here's the most definitive article I've yet run across about the gassing in Halabja: nytimes.com So, the next time you go spouting off, sonny, you might want to do so with some facts. Else, you could be like Colin Powell, who remarkably gave 44 justifications for war in his February 5 speech before the UN Security Council. So far only 16 of the 44 reasons have been proven to be utter lies. Wanna buy some of my Niger uranium, sucker? Powell will print up a bill of lading in no time flat. ;-)