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To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (15265)3/23/2003 1:49:58 AM
From: lurqer  Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 89467
 
WE WILL HAVE TO HANDLE THE KURDS CAREFULLY AND DELICATELY

THE KURDISH PROBLEM WILL HAVE TO BE HANDLED CAREFULLY


With the sophisticated subtle skill that has been the hallmark of this administration.

lurqer



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (15265)3/23/2003 4:03:21 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
The War Plan

Attack Was 48 Hours Old When It 'Began'
By Bob Woodward
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, March 23, 2003; Page A01

When President Bush huddled with his senior national security team Wednesday afternoon to consider fresh CIA intelligence that President Saddam Hussein and other key members of the Iraqi leadership were spending the night at a complex in southern Baghdad, the Bush team was aware of another, perhaps even bigger secret.

Under the official war plan, designated "OPLAN 1003 V" and approved by the president, the war with Iraq had already begun.

A little more than two hours earlier, at 1 p.m., Washington time, 31 Special Operations teams -- about 300 men -- began pouring under cover of darkness into western and southern Iraq. Joining smaller contingents of U.S. Special Forces and CIA paramilitaries already in Iraq, the special operators fanned out to sever communications, take down observation posts and position themselves to prevent what the Bush administration most feared -- moves by the Iraqi high command to use chemical or biological weapons, attack Israel with Scud missiles or destroy the country's oil fields.

The plan anticipated a 48-hour window for the special operators to carry out their missions before the official start of the war, set for 1 p.m. Friday with massive airstrikes against Baghdad and other cities. Soon afterward, the president was to announce the start of the air war, and conventional ground forces were to cross the Kuwait border into Iraq nine hours later.

Over the course of a three-hour meeting in the Oval Office Wednesday afternoon, the president and his senior national security advisers tore up this choreographed opening to the war. Acting on information presented by CIA Director George J. Tenet, the president ordered an airstrike and cruise missile attack on the Baghdad complex, called Dora Farm, in an attempt to kill Hussein and other senior members of the leadership.

In addition, on Thursday, the administration decided to move up the ground operation by 24 hours. It would commence 15 hours before the first large-scale airstrikes hit Iraq.

The revision of the war plan on the fly on Wednesday, which was described by numerous well-placed government sources, fit a pattern established in January 2002, when Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and U.S. Central Command chief Gen. Tommy R. Franks began drafting the blueprint for war.

Over the ensuing 14 months, in a series of what these sources described as seemingly endless, often excruciating two- to three-hour sessions in Rumsfeld's office and in secure video conference calls between the Pentagon and Franks's headquarters in Tampa, the Pentagon planners came up with more than 20 versions of the plan. In all, Bush received a dozen detailed briefings as it evolved.

The constant reshaping, questioning and tinkering by Rumsfeld and Franks strained and nearly broke the system of war planning, according to several senior and well-placed sources. But the process also built in some unprecedented flexibility and surprise, characteristics that have defined the war's opening days.

Push and Pull

In his State of the Union address on Jan. 29, 2002, Bush declared that Iraq was part of an "axis of evil" -- setting the country on what, in hindsight, seems like an inevitable course toward war.

At about the same time, as the first phase of the war in Afghanistan was winding down following the ouster of the Taliban militia from power, the president signed a secret intelligence order authorizing the CIA to undertake a comprehensive program to remove Hussein. He authorized spending upwards of $200 million to support opposition groups and expand intelligence collection.

The first CIA paramilitary team secretly began operating in Iraq in June 2002 to gather intelligence and meet with and support opposition groups. Eventually the CIA deployed additional paramilitary teams and established links with Iraqis throughout the country, including Baghdad.

On a parallel track to this covert operation, Rumsfeld, Franks and other civilian and uniformed Pentagon officials began work on the administration's top-secret war plan.

According to various sources, when Franks first was asked to present a concept of operations, he proposed a large force. Rumsfeld, with the experience of the Afghanistan war fresh in his mind, pushed for a radically different approach that would involve a smaller ground force and much larger participation by Special Operations troops.

The push and pull between the two men continued over the months that followed. The initial plan called for 14 days of airstrikes before the onset of the ground attack. Rumsfeld pressed Franks to reduce the time between the air and ground campaigns. Franks sought to convince Rumsfeld of the need for a larger force.

It was slow going. In August, Bush said in an interview that he had still not seen a military plan for Iraq that he believed would work. "A president likes to have a military plan that will be successful," Bush said.

Early in September, according to sources, Bush was presented with a feasible, credible version of OPLAN 1003 V, the first that he truly seemed comfortable with. But at the strong urging of Secretary of State Colin L. Powell, the president decided to go to the United Nations to build more international support for disarming Iraq. Negotiations over a U.N. Security Council resolution to give Hussein a final chance to reveal whether he had stocks of proscribed weapons, and the U.N. inspections, would continue for nearly six months.

This "long diplomacy," as one source called it, gave Rumsfeld and Franks the time that in retrospect was necessary to deploy the necessary forces in the Persian Gulf region -- and to refine their war plan.

D-Day

By January, the time between the start of the air and ground campaigns had narrowed to four days, a radical departure from the Persian Gulf War in 1991, when U.S. and allied warplanes pummeled Iraq for 38 days before ground forces moved into Kuwait to eject the Iraqi invaders.

In late February, Franks introduced the idea of opening the war with a large, secret deployment of Special Operations teams in Iraq. He argued this could be done with stealth for 48 hours before Iraq and the world realized the United States had started the war.

According to sources, the president was initially uncomfortable with this idea because he had said publicly that he would announce when he had decided to go to war. But the military advantages of the Special Operations mission were significant enough that Bush used deliberately vague language Monday when he delivered his ultimatum for Hussein to leave Iraq by Wednesday. If Hussein ignored the demand, the president said, he would commence military action "at a time of our choosing."

The war plan the president had already set in motion was much more specific.

The Special Operations troops would enter Iraq on D-Day, Wednesday at 1 p.m. EST (9 p.m. in Iraq) -- seven hours before the president's ultimatum expired. In the ensuing 48 hours, Bush and the administration would say little about when a war was to begin, the sources said.

On Friday at 1 p.m. -- what the plan referred to as A-Day -- Iraq would be pummeled by a massive aerial bombardment. Nine hours later, at about dawn Saturday morning in Iraq, the G-Day ground offensive would commence.

On Tuesday, Rumsfeld was said to be so worried that the timetable would leak that he issued a formal, top-secret execute order to Franks to carry out war plan 1003 V at a time that he would give to Franks orally. That way there would be no paper record of the time the war would begin.

Right on schedule Wednesday, U.S. Special Operations forces -- accompanied by smaller contingents of British and Australian special forces -- moved into Iraq. Two and a half hours later, Tenet walked into the White House, where he joined the president, Vice President Cheney, Powell, Rumsfeld, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice and Air Force Gen. Richard B. Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, in the Oval Office.

He had fresh intelligence about Hussein's whereabouts. The war plan was about to change once again.

Taking a Shot

As they reviewed the information, Bush and his advisers considered several issues.

Was a direct attack on the Iraqi leader legal? Administration lawyers quickly determined that the Dora Farm compound where Hussein was located was a command-and-control facility subject to military attack, and since the war had begun, they determined an airstrike was legitimate.

Would there be significant damage outside the compound? The isolation of the compound suggested it was not a major concern. Precision targeting allowed strikes to hit the buildings believed used by Hussein, his sons Uday and Qusay, and other members of the Iraqi inner circle but, according to one source, spare a facility used by family members of the leadership.

Would an air attack destroy the operational security of the war plan? There was no certainty, but the president's advisers concluded that an attack actually might increase operational security by sowing doubt and confusion inside Iraq and add to the uncertainty about the timing and nature of the coming war.

Could a surgical strike send the wrong message to those inside Iraq secretly aiding or expected to support U.S. forces, suggesting to potential Iraqi allies that the administration was looking for a cheap way out? Several Cabinet members said the presence of nearly 250,000 U.S. troops on Iraq's borders had demonstrated Bush's seriousness.

Was Hussein really there? The intelligence was "damn good," in the words of one source, and a consensus emerged that it was worth taking a shot.

Within hours, F-117A stealth fighters dropped a pair of 2,000-pound bombs on the complex, followed by a volley of Tomahawk cruise missiles fired from U.S. warships in the Red Sea and Persian Gulf.

The president went on national television at 10:15 p.m. to announce the onset of war.

The next morning, Franks recommended advancing the ground operation by 24 hours. The massive assault by 21/3 divisions began that evening.

As for the Dora Farm complex, initial assessments show the compound was severely damaged in the precision strikes. But U.S. intelligence authorities, who believe Hussein and his sons were in the bunker during the attack, still have no definitive answer as to whether they were killed, injured, or escaped unharmed.

Researcher Mark Malseed contributed to this report.

© 2003 The Washington Post Company

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To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (15265)3/23/2003 4:12:04 AM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 89467
 
On a Dangerous Road


By David Ignatius
Columnist
The Washington Post
Sunday, March 23, 2003

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ALONG THE BAGHDAD HIGHWAY, IRAQ -- Travels in southern Iraq yesterday yielded a mosaic of images that illustrate the audacity of the American-led military campaign, and also some of its potential vulnerabilities.

American troops are racing toward Baghdad with astonishing speed. Yet in addition to delivering "shock and awe" to the Iraqis, the Americans are getting a few surprises of their own -- including tough battles to secure several southern Iraqi cities that were expected by some military planners to be easy victories.

The campaign's stunning military might was clear in the convoy of British and American armored vehicles that curved up the arc of the main Baghdad highway under an ash-blue afternoon sky. This mobile firepower is as intimidating, in its way, as the aerial bombardments over Baghdad the last two nights, and the tanks have moved toward the Iraqi capital with astonishing speed.

Yet part of this massive column was held up for a time yesterday afternoon by the discovery that Highway 8, the four-lane road connecting Baghdad with the south, had been mined -- briefly forcing some vehicles onto smaller and slower secondary roads nearby. One mine, probably of crude design and costing only a few dollars, was said by a British soldier to have exploded under an armored personnel carrier.

There were moving scenes of grateful Iraqis waving to the American troops who had come to liberate them from Saddam Hussein. A farmer named Haider told me the American invasion was "the best celebration" he'd had since the Baath Party seized control of Iraq more than three decades ago. Two of Haider's brothers have been executed for alleged crimes against the regime, he said.

"It's a criminal regime, and they execute everyone, for one word, even," said a 14-year-old boy named Mohammed, who said one of his brothers had been executed. Asked what kind of government he wanted to see in the future, a jubilant farmer named Salem Muhsen answered: "Anything but Saddam's terrorism." Two of his cousins had been executed, he said, for the crime of traveling to Kuwait to sell their vegetables.

This was the face of Iraqi liberation. The farmers had gathered at the Safwan intersection, the same spot where the peace treaty ending the 1991 Gulf War had been signed.

Yet soon after these happy sentiments were voiced, a battered white Toyota pickup arrived at the intersection bearing the bodies of two men who apparently died during American attacks. Cradling them was a woman dressed in black, who said the men were her father and brother. She wailed inconsolably, denouncing the American invaders. Her anguish was so intense that when she arrived in the nearby town of Safwan, reporters there said the anti-American mood turned ugly.

You could see a lot of bitter faces in southern Iraq yesterday -- as people watched their country devoured by this immense military machine. And southern Iraq was supposed to be the easy part.

This civilian anger is compounded by the fact that little humanitarian aid seems to be available yet for the victims of war. They were literally begging for help yesterday from journalists -- who were the only Americans not in uniform they could see.

U.S. strategists had assumed that in their race toward Baghdad, they could initially bypass many of the smaller towns and cities of southern Iraq. As Marine Staff Sgt. Brian Koenig put it, relaxing in the shade of his amphibious vehicle parked along the road north toward Nasiriyah and Baghdad, each U.S. combat team has a "bypass criterion" that allows it to focus on the biggest battles, and leave the little ones for later.

But this confidence seemed misplaced yesterday. Despite reports about the quick capture Friday of the port city of Umm Qasr on the gulf, for example, a trip down the Umm Qasr road made clear that the city was far from secure, 24 hours after the coalition's supposed victory. American control was said to extend only to part of the city, and armed Iraqi soldiers were reported to have donned civilian clothes and slipped into the local population.

Similarly, a tough battle was being fought for the city of Basra, with Iraqi forces showing stronger than expected resistance. Some analysts had expected Basra to be a cakewalk for the coalition, because its largely Shiite population dislikes Hussein. Basra will doubtless fall soon, but probably not in the act of anti-Hussein insurgency some American planners may have expected. The danger is that it will feel like a defeated city, rather than a liberated one.

Will the snags in the south be repeated on a larger and more dangerous scale in the decisive battle for Baghdad? Will America's attempts to destroy Iraqi resolve instead stiffen it, as so often happens in war? America's military challenge, in the remaining days or weeks of battle, will be to avoid turning popular hatred of Hussein into anger against the "shock and awe" military colossus that has come to topple him.

© 2003 The Washington Post Company



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (15265)3/23/2003 8:46:58 AM
From: Clappy  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 89467
 
SmartyPants,

Thanks for taking the time to spell out that problem with
the Kurds and the Turks.

I wasn't aware of just how complicated it was.

Does anybody like anybody over there?

I wonder if we will have to air-drop different things to
help each group to lighten up a little.

Perhaps along with those leaflets we should drop party
games and ice breakers. Air-drop the games "Twister",
"Trivial Pursuit", and "Pictionary". Those are always fun.

I think Shrub's been air-dropping the game "Monopoly" but it
isn't helping them that much. They keep fighting over who
gets to be the banker and they refuse to negotiate with the
real estate pieces.

Shrub thought "Risk" and "Stratego" would be fun but those
games are causing problems too. He's got try to be a little
more creative in my opinion.

I think the Mid East is filled with a lot of people who are
too serious. Perhaps he could bomb them all with
previously viewed VHS cassettes of Jerry Lewis and Abbott
and Costello movies. Air drop water bongs along with
Cheech and Chong, Steve Martin, and Richard Pryor records.

Keep 'em heavily fortified with dope and Dominoes Pizza.

Every Friday they can have greet the neighbor parties.

Or build a huge water slide park. Nobody ever fights at
water slide parks. There's too much fun going on.
Who can get angry while sliding down a 100 foot slide in
their bathing suit?

Everyone is way too serious over there. Send them Carrot Top!

Let Paula Abdul entertain!

I got plenty of other ideas. Perhaps I should write the
president.

-EventsCoordinatorClappy



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (15265)3/23/2003 12:41:42 PM
From: Suma  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
An extremely important History lesson and one everyone who posts on the site should read. You are quite knowledgeable and having been to Turkey and studied some of their history I did not know that much in depth about the Kurdish situation. A potential time bomb is right. We have quite a few right now...... Thank you for sharing your expertise of history. I would think you might have taught it.

Suma