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To: Bilow who wrote (85457)	3/24/2003 12:53:04 AM
From: Sig	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<<Unfortunately, the conservatives were unable to read military history except for a few rather minor battles (i.e. the Mayaguez, Panama, Haiti, Kosovo and Afghanistan). Their inability to understand the more rich history of this planet has led them to a situation that will forever tar the Republican party with a reputation for incompetence in diplomatic and military affairs.>>> If you truly want to see a different President and a different Party in power, there is a better way than trashing Bush and company, who are gaining popularity day by day That way is to find a candidate with better ideas, expressed more clearly, and attractive to a wider audience that can bring fringe voters to center at the polls Then put all your weight and words to use in promoting that single person. Its the Democrats that are in disarray, some may support Kerry, some may support Clinton, etc, Whoever it is to be, they will need to have an image, made a major contribution appealing to voters (it takes village), have the cooperation of corporations and promise not to mess with Social Security benefits, Veterans benefits, or retirement accounts. And do it without raising taxes A daunting task Sig@howtoughitallis.com

To: Bilow who wrote (85457)	3/24/2003 1:18:17 AM
From: epsteinbd	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Dear Billow: if you want me to admit that the USUK is losing the war in Irak, please explain how come your people hold about as many Iraki generals prisoners as they hold your soldiers. Not to mention that your troops are in the outskirts of Badgad (secret) and not theirs around Koweit ? Re Occupation after war: you claim that the US isn't good at it. Look at Germany, Italy, Japan. The Japanese loved their emporor 100 times more than the Irakis love Saddam. They sacrificed their lives for victory in a way and numbers (crash landing included) that Iraki won't even nightmare on. I've read about the wars in the last five thousand years possibly as much as you did, studied Arab psychology, often from within, (and it wasn't always a cake walk), more than you did (unless you are specialised) But somehow, we don't reach the same conclusions. So our difference could be a questions of inner motivations. I trust (read hope) that your guys will bring some sense to the crowds of the ME by showing the good exemple. Because if you don't do it, it will take a couple of generations before they get some political sense about the way to deal with their collective life. OTOH you may be scared that your people will be seen as the Ugly Americans, the oily imperialists etc. IMO these Arab crowds are not simply hysterical. They are jealous. Jealous of your achievements. It hurts. I understand. Finaly your statement that the Republicans are incompetant in diplomatic or military affairs does not fit with what I have seen, as of lately: the Chinese attack on your spy plane, NK non-crisis included and the UN gambit. And I am free from any political party, anywhere. I judge the motivations moves and results, and can only make mistakes. It is not Bush that lost the diplomatic battle, it is Chirac, and now he knows it. Epstein at: Till History does us apart!