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To: JohnM who wrote (85750)	3/24/2003 5:16:10 PM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Absolute nonsense. Can't say it anymore clearly. Really? Why am I not surprised that you didn't like it? And I prefaced it by saying those views represented the "Core" of the protest movement. Which is "ANSWER," and other socialist/communist/collectivist people like them, who do dislike "Individualism." (note Jacob's response.) But, as other articles have shown, now that the war has started, the movement is becoming an even more rapidlly dwindling minority than it was.

To: JohnM who wrote (85750)	3/24/2003 5:24:27 PM
From: skinowski	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

A young man whom I know well says that some of the anti-war demonstrators last Saturday in Manhattan carried several directly anti-Semitic signs. Some of those were so blunt and brutal - like calls to resume the final solution and the gas chambers - that he felt shocked and disturbed. Question - did anyone here hear anything about this?

To: JohnM who wrote (85750)	3/24/2003 8:17:11 PM
From: Dennis O'Bell	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

>>>> The hostility of the "anti-war" protestors is not toward war, nor even toward war with Iraq, but toward America and its philosophy of individualism. Absolute nonsense. Can't say it anymore clearly. I simply see no other reason for this kind of broadside than an attempt to delegitimize protest against the invasion of Iraq. Large portions of the global public opinion are against it. There is no one source for that, save it's very publicly stated reasons: against the invasion. I believe that a large portion of this global public opinion is a venting of dislike against America's pre-eminent role in the world, and that the war is an ideal pretext for people to finally say what they really think, in the manner of some kind of safety valve releasing. Vastly more disgusting things have gone down in the world without the world's population descending to the street like this, such as the million dead in Rwanda. That's 1/6 the body count of the Shoah, can you get your mind around that ? How do you explain then the disparity between world response to an event of that magnitude and what is actually happening in Iraq ? "They all hate us" is the old cliché, but sometimes clichés are true. Note precisely that I am referring to our perceived "hegemony", and not individualism per se. And I am not saying this invasion is a good idea. As an aside, you should know that there is also a statistically significant current of fundamental dislike of American individualism as well, particularly in France and this stems partly from nostalgia for Communism. This may just be an isolated cultural European thing, I can't be certain. But among this class of people, there is a real mistrust of the average man in the street, who simply cannot be trusted to think for himself. The USA with our referendums etc, is a revolting idea to these people, whether they're from the left or right.