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To: paul_philp who wrote (85889)	3/25/2003 6:49:48 AM
From: Ilaine	Respond to of 281500

Frum's column in today's NRO gives some additional insight into why he dislikes Novak - >>on the November 24, 2001, edition of Capital Gang, he condemned Israel for killing Hamas leader Mahmoud Abu Hanoud. Margaret Carlson pointed out that Hanoud was after all a terrorist: He had organized, most recently, two suicide bombings in that had killed a total of 36 people, all civilians, many of them teenagers. Novak’s answer: “Well, why do you call him a terrorist? I mean, one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter. They’re trying to get their own land.”<< nationalreview.com The allegation that the US is at war with Iraq to make Sharon and the Likud party happy is fairly sappy, at best, and dangerously close to the hoary canard that "the Jews really run the world." No doubt Israel is looking forward to the day when Saddam is no longer a threat, but so is Kuwait, and pretty much everybody else in the region, except for his fan club. I would be interested in a trenchant explanation as to why something that a Jewish intellectual thinks about the role of the US in the world is more suspicious than something a Christian intellectual thinks, without anti-Semitism being the explanation. And of course, "the Jews stick together." Is there any way to talk about this without sounding stupid? I haven't come across it yet. Throwing in the observation that many fundamentalist Christians favor Israel and the Jews for religious reasons is probably a good idea, given that Christians outnumber Jews in America, and fundamentalist Christians tend to be Republicans because of abortion. I don't think Dubya is a fundamentalist, but some of his advisors are.

To: paul_philp who wrote (85889)	3/25/2003 12:14:55 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Do you read Frum's article and Buchannan's? I thought Frum made a compelling case for the 'hating this country' statement and it goes far deeper than the Iraq War. I am terrified of those people, I think they would ruin the whole damn show if given a chance and I think another terror attack they might get that chance. I have absolutely no problem with serious, heavy, hard hitting arguments in which one side takes on the other. My objection is the "hating the country" line. I don't consider that a form of argument, nor even an assessment of the position. Rather it's purely and simply ideological hysteria meant to defame someone else. In this climate, however and hopefully, it's a strategy that, most likely, backfires. I do think you may be onto something when you note that the level of ferocity in these attacks, the fact they are clearly sponsored by prominent neocon circles, suggest the neocons have launched a deadly campaign against their compatriots. I doubt the Bush folk can be happy about this. I would expect Rove is on the telephone on this one.