Silicon Investor (SI) -- The First Internet Community

STOCKTALK

We've detected that you're using an ad content blocking browser plug-in or feature. Ads provide a critical source of revenue to the continued operation of Silicon Investor. We ask that you disable ad blocking while on Silicon Investor in the best interests of our community. If you are not using an ad blocker but are still receiving this message, make sure your browser's tracking protection is set to the 'standard' level.

Politics : Foreign Affairs Discussion Group -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (86976)	3/27/2003 12:10:31 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

Today, Jews for the first time ever, are part of the permanent In Group. It is fascinating, to watch the ideological rapprochement, between the fundamentalist Christians (whose anti-semitism was always just beneath the surface) and the Jews. Michael Lind has an argument about the basis for this new connection, one that I have planned to make some posts about but keep making it the third item on my work list. I'll get around to it sometime. If you wish to take a look, he has some of his work posted here. newamerica.net As for the degree to which anti-semitism is just beneath the surface of Protestant fundamentalism, having grown up in the midst of that and still maintain contacts there, it's just barely beneath the surface. It doesn't get publicly spoken, but, unfortunately, it's there and deep. As for the degree to which Jews are now an ingroup, I'm going to have to take a pass on that one. In the US, they are clearly a target of opportunity for the Bush folk's political crew. That seems to me to still be a work in progress. If the Bush folk should get to a point at which they didn't need the jewish vote, I wouldn't bet on the outcomes.

To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (86976)	3/27/2003 1:01:09 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Today, Jews for the first time ever, are part of the permanent In Group. It is fascinating, to watch the ideological rapprochement, between the fundamentalist Christians (whose anti-semitism was always just beneath the surface) and the Jews. No, I don't think that gives an accurate picture. They're not part of a "permanent In Group" - they are not admitted as Jews qua Jews, they are not in charge of "Jewish affairs", and it's not a hereditary position. What's happened is that individual citizens who are Jewish have ceased to be excluded from the In Groups, in whatever sphere of influence they choose to pursue. BTW, while this is generally true But the reality was, at best, Jews were tactical allies only, of those who held real power in the world. Jews were always held at arms length, never really trusted, used for their money and skills, and frequently discarded after use. there have been a few exceptions, for example there was a Jewish Vizier in 12th century Cordoba, and there were ethnarchs in Judea and Persia and Mesopotamia in ancient times.