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To: Berry Picker who wrote (34750)	3/28/2003 8:51:22 AM
From: alan w	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

<<Brian said>>Because TRUE ISRAEL is the Elect. You are making ALL ISRAEL to mean Carnal Israel Paul plainly teaches that carnal Israel is NOT Israel. <<Alan replied>>So blindness came upon Israel(the elect) so that salvation would come to ????????(the unelect??) Is this your untwisted version of truth? If true Israel is the "elect", who are the nations that will be saved? Somehow I missed this post during the flurry. alan w Brian's reply:Read Romans. There are different kinds of election. Israel was the elect nation but that does not mean to say that all men born Israelites were elect concerning salvation. That was the biggest error of the Jews. Paul has to remind them of Esau chp9 Alan's reply:Nice dodge Brian. Can you answer the question or not? If the chosen is Israel, who are the nations? Or is Israel only national Israel when it fits your doctrine? You accuse me of heresy. But it's you who alters the word. All means all only when we say it does. Israel is not Israel unless we say it is. Paul was talking about national Israel all throughout Rom 11(his countrymen). Your mind is closed Brian. How do you keep up with all the scriptural gymnastics? alan w