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Politics : Stop the War! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Dr. Voodoo who wrote (4494)	3/28/2003 11:36:02 AM
From: Enigma	Respond to of 21614

Warping world opinion in reality - and cocking up everything along the way!

To: Dr. Voodoo who wrote (4494)	3/28/2003 11:49:17 AM
From: Doug R	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 21614

The US claims Russia sold GPS jammers then says missiles took out the jammers. The US also stated the jammers had not been at all effective. If they didn't jam, were they "jammers"?? If they are now "destroyed" where is the evidence of their existence...how convenient that they are now "destroyed". Were there really GPS jammers there or did you just swallow another spoonfed lie?

To: Dr. Voodoo who wrote (4494)	3/28/2003 1:23:08 PM
From: James Calladine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 21614

If what you say is true, then it seems silly that the French wouldn't have joined forces with the coalition in order to secure their investments They were trying to AVOID the war and maintain their friendly political (and commercial) relationships with Iraq. It is difficult to take that stance and then become a vulture, picking pieces off the dead body, so to speak. If what you say is true, why are Russian firms selling GPS jammers to Iraq? On record as denied by Russians. Sales were made to Syria, however, and very likely the local arms merchant took delivery in Syria and moved them into the welcoming Iraqi hands. Such situations are, I understand, very common all over the world, and not just here. The Interational Arms trade is very similar to the World illegal Drug Business. Main difference is that the arms trade has governments lined up behind them! In the case of the drug business the governments have to be lined up AGAINST in order to keep drug profits high. If you take away the oil in Iraq, you would still have this war. Are you saying the UK/US are preempting Russia getting a warm weather port? This is why we fought them tooth and nail in Afganistan. I am under the impression that we went after Afghanistan for a pipeline route, and the Taliban did not agree to the terms. I still contend that if this were about oil, the French, Russians, and Americans would all be on the same side and we'd be splitting up the oil right now and paying 39 cents a gallon for gas. The commercial world is about COMPETITION. In the case of oil a lot of the issue is access to SUPPLY, present and future. You are not in the business if you do not have supply. If I were a US/UK oil company I would not care two hoots for my French and Russian competitors. My concern would be to upstage them and put them out of the Iraqui market. A LARGE part of this war is about shaping world opinion. Yes, but not just for the fun of it. For the purpose of justifying (in public opinion) the actions that are seen to be necessary to achieve the goals at hand. The US/UK have offered totally BS reasons: -- Saddam Hussein -- Weapons of Mass Destruction -- Links with Al Quaeda -- Bringing freedom to the Iraqi people The real reasons are NOTHING AT ALL to do with what is professed. However,they cannot be publicly offered because they would not be publicly supported. Instead Bush/Blair play to the public's FEAR and the ignorant masses swallow the bait, hook, line and sinker. Then it's on to "Let's support our brave boys and girls over there in harm's way" Who put them there in harm's way? Namaste! Jim