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To: JohnM who wrote (87515)	3/28/2003 10:41:45 PM
From: LindyBill	Respond to of 281500

"Sullivan" The moral gap Columnist Robert Samuelson points out a fascinating polling discrepancy. The Pew Global Attitudes Project polled people in various countries earlier this month on the war against Saddam. Huge majorities opposed it: 87 percent in France, 85 percent in Germany, 83 percent in Russia, 79 percent in Spain and 76 percent in Italy. But at the same time, Pew asked if "the people of Iraq will be better or worse off in the long run" if Saddam is deposed. Again huge margins: 73 percent said yes in France, 71 percent in Germany and 61 percent in Italy. In other words, Europeans are perfectly happy to consign an entire people to misery and oppression rather than support a war to liberate them. And they claim to be supporting the people of Iraq. The awful historical record will be that most Europeans knowingly put their fear of American power before their hatred of Saddam. Damning.http://www.washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20030328-74465456.htm

To: JohnM who wrote (87515)	3/28/2003 10:46:24 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Why don't you walk us through the argument. I thought you were the academic around here John?? You don't know that the Kaiser abdicated after WWI ended, fleeing to the Netherlands to avoid being tried as a war criminal?? lib.byu.edu He was forced to abdicate, unlike Saddam Hussein... who, it was thought in 1991, would be overthrown internally.. Now, please refresh yourself on the League of Nations and the Treaty of Versailles: west-teq.net And please note below how the French felt totally justified to invade the Ruhr area of Wiemar Germany when reparations payments were not properly made: west-teq.net And now recognize that Desert Storm NEVER ended. The cease fire was voided by Saddam's continued intransigence and lies. The current war is nothing more than a continuation of the war that began 12 years ago and was never properly terminated.. Saddam got off very lightly compared to the Kaiser.. Yet the world had no problem with forcing him to abdicate and placing a democracy in his place.. (remember the Allies were occupying Germany until 1923, so we were officially in charge). Hawk