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To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (154998)	4/1/2003 8:29:46 PM
From: hueyone	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 164684

The point is that the iraqi people don't want us there. How do you know this Lizzie? I think the jury is still convening. It seems pretty clear that the people are terrified of Saddam loyalists for good reason. Until some of Saddam's ruthless loyalists are out of the way, we really won't know what the Iraqi people want. You must also consider that we hung a lot of Iraqi people out to dry when we stopped at the border during the first Gulf War, so if I were an Iraqi, I would probably consider it pretty risky to openly welcome the coalition forces. The conservative thing for any Iraqi to do who actually is glad our forces are there, is to lay low until they are certain Saddam's thugs and terrorists are defeated. You could be right, but the fact there are not alot Iraqi's putting up welcome banners means nothing imo. Regards, Huey

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (154998)	4/1/2003 8:35:17 PM
From: Oeconomicus	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 164684

The point is that the iraqi people don't want us there. Says who? Their "official spokesperson" from the Ministry of Information in Baghdad? ...the assertion that iraq had WMDs. Well, they don't... Quick to draw conclusions, I see. Did you think he'd leave them sitting around out in the dessert by the road from Kuwait? Or maybe you thought he'd keep them in warehouses in Shiite-populated towns. He has them where he can use them if and when he so chooses. Lizzie, did you think this was some new TV show where Keifer Sutherland can save the world in 24 hours, never stopping to eat or go to the bathroom? Sorry, it's a war. There is no script. There is no wrap-up of all the loose ends of the plot coming neatly at the end of the hour. It's messy. It's unpredictable. People get killed. And it doesn't end conveniently just when you're getting tired of watching. And it is our business, regardless of whether you get to see the evidence before the arrest like a Law & Order episode. Saddam, with his weapons and his many millions of oppressed people and his funding of terrorism is a threat to the world, especially the US. If doing something about it makes you uncomfortable or if the timing of it inconveniences you, too bad.

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (154998)	4/1/2003 9:40:36 PM
From: Victor Lazlo	Respond to of 164684

<< It doesn't matter what Saddam is or isn't, or how many iraqis he has killed, that is their concern, not the US's. >> echos of Europe in 1939... 'it doesn't matter what Hitler is or isn't..'

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (154998)	4/2/2003 11:34:45 AM
From: hueyone	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 164684

The point is that the Iraqi people don't want us there. Even the anti-Bush New York times is now recognizing that some of the Iraqi people want us there. Like I said, let's wait and see how the people react when the threat of torture and oppression is gone. I hope your statement turns out to be wrong. nytimes.com Cheers and Smiles for U.S. Troops in a Captured City

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (154998)	4/2/2003 11:49:36 AM
From: Victor Lazlo	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 164684

Women for a Free Iraq " We have also included links to other Iraqi voices around the world and a list a resources on Saddam's persecution of the Iraqi people. We extend our gratitude to all those who will be asked to risk both lives and treasure to remove Saddam. As we wrote to President Bush on February 27th , "Know that the Iraqi people will eagerly contribute everything they have to the task. Our prayers are with you, with the American people, and with the Iraqi people." womenforiraq.com

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (154998)	4/2/2003 11:50:57 AM
From: Victor Lazlo	Respond to of 164684

Iraqi Women Speak Maha Alattar Sh’ia from Baghdad. Fled Iraq in 1993 to escape the fate of her relatives who were being imprisoned, “disappeared” or deported to the mine-filled border with Iran. Safia Al Souhail Shi’a from central Iraq. Represented her one million-strong Bani Tamim tribe the recent Iraqi opposition conferences in London and the Kurdish safe haven; led a delegation of Iraqi women who met with British Prime Minister Tony Blair in December 2002. Zainab Al-Suwaij Shi'a from Southern Iraq. Executive director of the American Islamic Congress (www.aicongress.org); fled after the 1991 uprising in which she participated. Tamara Darweesh Born in Baghdad of Shi'a and Kurdish parents. Fled Iraq as a child in 1979 with her parents who were targeted by the Ba'ath regime for their opposition activities; participated in the recent Iraqi opposition conferences in London and Kurdish areas to plan the post-Saddam transition. Rend Rahim Francke Executive Director of the Iraq Foundation, (www.iraqfoundation.org); active in democracy planning for Iraq. Tanya Gilly Kurd from northern Iraq. Daughter of prominent anti-Saddam activists; democracy activist advocating for a federal, pluralistic Iraq. Maha Hussain Muslim Arab from Baghdad. Witnessed Iraqi government brutality at a young age; President of the Iraqi Forum for Democracy (www.iraqifd.org), a Michigan-based organization of Iraqis worldwide working to promote constitutional democracy in Iraq. Katrin Michael Chaldean Christian, from northern Iraq. Joined the anti-Saddam resistance 1982 and was injured in chemical attacks in 1987; an advocate on behalf of Iraqi women. Esra Naama Shi'a from Southern Iraq. Daughter of a leader of the 1991 uprising following the Gulf War; fled with her mother and siblings, crossing the desert by foot into Saudi Arabia. Raz Rasool Kurd from Baghdad. Daughter of a prominent Iraqi dissident, now a member of the Kurdish parliament and head of the Kurdish Writers Union; member of the Iraqi National Congress (www.inc.org.uk) an umbrella organization of Iraqi opposition groups. Kanar Sarraj Kurd from Northern Iraq. Worked with victims of Saddam's genocidal campaign until she was forced to flee in 1996 under threats by the regime. Zakia Ismail Hakki Kurd from Northern Iraq. The first female judge in Iraq and the Arab world (1959); President of Kurdish Women Federation (1958-1975); an advocate for women's rights and active member of the resistance against Saddam. Fled Iraq in 1996. womenforiraq.com