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To: Moominoid who wrote (30670)	4/2/2003 10:35:37 PM
From: TobagoJack	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

<<Which is true?>> The answer is 'yes' ;0) Chugs, Jay

To: Moominoid who wrote (30670)	4/2/2003 11:10:29 PM
From: elmatador	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

I read Reuters site not controlled by Pentagon: asia.reuters.com Missile Downs U.S. FA-18 Hornet Over Iraq -Networks Wed April 2, 2003 10:44 PM ET WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A U.S. FA-18 Hornet fighter-bomber has been shot down over southern Iraq by a surface-to-air missile, U.S. television networks reported on Wednesday. Fox News Channel and ABC News said the fate of the pilot from the carrier-based aircraft was not known. Pentagon officials had no immediate comment on the reports. Elmat's Comments: The US controls 95% of the Iraqi air space, according to CNN. I was wondering about the remaining 5%. It seems if someone venture into the 5%, is shot down. U.S. Chopper Down in Iraq; Confusion Over Casualties Wed April 2, 2003 10:17 PM ET WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A U.S. Army Black Hawk helicopter has been shot down by small arms fire in southern Iraq, killing seven and wounding four on board, a U.S. official said on Wednesday. The official at the Pentagon, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the helicopter was shot down near Kerbala, 50 miles south of Baghdad, early on Thursday Iraqi time. But Central Command in Tampa, Florida, issued a contradictory statement, saying the Black Hawk was downed at about 7:30 p.m. local time on Wednesday and that initial reports put the number of people on board at six. The Central Command statement said there was no confirmation of casualties. There was no immediate explanation for the discrepancies in information from the Pentagon and from Central Command. The Pentagon official said search and rescue personnel were at the scene where the craft came down, adding: "They were pulling people out." The Black Hawk had been carrying 11 personnel, the official said. The Black Hawk was the second U.S. helicopter lost in combat since U.S. and British forces invaded Iraq two weeks ago. An Apache gunship went down last week and its two crew members were captured by Iraqi forces.

To: Moominoid who wrote (30670)	4/3/2003 2:36:09 AM
From: energyplay	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Hi Moominoid - The Venik's report is from about 9:00 am GMT, the CNN from about 11:00 pm GMT. Since the Venik stuff is translated, it seems to have an additonal 2-4 hour lag. The CNN article is a one point picture, Venik's is mostly an overview. The reports on TV from FOX and CNN on postions and movement generally match up with what Venik has a day later.

To: Moominoid who wrote (30670)	4/3/2003 3:33:08 AM
From: maceng2	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

These sound like two different wars Sounds like the same one to me. The situation is so chaotic, several outcomes are possible. duke.edu i.e the solution to the current forces in action in Iraq is a non linear equation. Lots of possible bifurcations. (nice explanatory site) apmaths.uwo.ca (btw do you use this stuff in Economics these days ??) Hopefully large sections of the Republican Guard still exist yet have negotiated a ceasefire. Although military sources use words like "neutralize" and "defeated", it really means killing very large amounts of human beings. Such scenareos gave rise to the likes of Hitler and Pol Pot in the past, not a desirable solution over the longer term. Of course my hopes are that the USA and UK prevail in all situations. Solutions to minimise the loss of life must have very large risks attached to them unfortunately. Trust and all that stuff. Anyway, Arab news reporters are falling out of favor too for some reason.. Al-Jazeera pares down Iraq coverage after reporters expelled ananova.com Al-Jazeera is paring down its operation inside Iraq after two of its reporters were told to stop working by the Iraqi regime. The Arab satellite channel interrupted a regular news report to announce the order from Iraq's Information Ministry. Iraqi-born journalist Diar al-Omari has been told to leave Baghdad while his colleague Tayseer Allouni has been barred from working. Al-Jazeera said the ministry did not give a reason and described the move as "sudden and unjustified." It added: "Al-Jazeera has decided to suspend until further notice the work of all its correspondents in Baghdad, Basra and Mosul, while maintaining the broadcasting of live and recorded images received from its office in Baghdad." An earlier version of the statement had indicated the broadcaster would stop carrying live images. Al-Jazeera representatives at the US Central Command in Qatar said about a half dozen journalists were in Iraq reporting for the station. There was no immediate announcement of the move from Iraqi officials, who have taken similar actions against several Western networks. Western critics have often accused Al-Jazeera of a pro-Iraqi bias in its war coverage. © Associated Press