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To: FiloF who wrote (69188)	4/3/2003 11:34:55 AM
From: zonder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

What is it you don't understand? In other words: Broken arms & legs and gunshot wound do not sound like Iraqis wanted to inflict pain (torture) on this girl. They sound like combat wounds, or even wounds sustained while trying to run away from your capturers, jumping out of a cell window, etc. If they had wanted to inflict pain (torture) on the captive girl, they could have broken her fingers one by one, put out cigarettes on her face and body, pulled out her nails etc. I hope this is clearer. I am running out of ways to rephrase my point to make it clearer. your reply to me that suggests that it would not be torture because it was "only" broken arms and legs Sigh If Iraqis indeed deliberately broke her legs and arm AND shot her just to cause her pain, then that is torture. However, I doubt that is the case, because of all I have said in this post: Message 18791022

To: FiloF who wrote (69188)	4/3/2003 11:36:25 AM
From: thames_sider	Respond to of 70976

I think it's clear enough what's meant. Torturers - especially skilled ones, such as one might suppose these fiendish Iraqis to be, are very unlikely to use methods as crude and brief as breaking limbs, still less shooting the victim. These do more damage than pain, are likely to result in unconsciousness or even death from shock, and also are not 'humiliating' - so are less likely to terrify/break the victim. Hence, these sound like battle or capture wounds and not the result of torture. I'm no expert, but I'd expect torture to concentrate on 'personal' areas - eyes/face, genitals - and other nerve-rich sensitive areas such as hands/feet. (Before you ask, I know what little I know from reading war and spy novels during the less mis-spent parts of my youth. <edit> and of course the Angel episode where Faith tortures Wesley... I then extrapolate using logic).