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To: Elsewhere who wrote (90167)	4/5/2003 7:41:32 AM
From: epsteinbd	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi Jo. The problem could be in the selling to Irak, not the buying. We should soon see the bills, and I trust the FF ones will be worse than the DM ones, not to mention the Rouble... Even the Irakis may start to complain about the help the regime was getting. Just imagine the next Foreign Minister of Irak shouting his mouth off at the whole UN General Assembly... Am I right to believe that had you or I been Irakis, that speech would already have been written ? Care to read my opening sentence ?

To: Elsewhere who wrote (90167)	4/5/2003 7:47:43 AM
From: Sig	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<<Which favor do Germans owe Saddam?>> Saddam would look upon these purchases from Germany as doing Germany a favor by buying from them And they involved a lot more than oil But nearly all countries were guilty in some fashion, just some a lot more than others <<<<German companies supplied Iraq in spite of embargo The Iraqi arms report apparently names more than 80 German companies who have traded with Iraq since 1975, several public and private research labs and individual persons among them. the daily "Berliner Tageszeitung" reported. Among the supplies sent to Iraq, the paper includes entire plants and modules for ABC weapon and missile production programs. The federal ministry for economy countered that as early as 1990 the Kohl government had submitted information on such trade to the Bundestag. The help German companies gave Iraq up to the Golf war is on public record. A strict embargo has been applied since, and it has been disregarded a limited number of times, the ministry said. Investigations into the matter were underway. According to TAZ, a company of the microelectronics sector is said to have supplied to Iraq until 2001, a fact of which the federal government is said to have been aware since 1990.>>> mathematik.uni-ulm.de Sig

To: Elsewhere who wrote (90167)	4/5/2003 3:11:59 PM
From: Sig	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I owe you an apology for discussing Germany as a significant arms supplier to Iraq, since Germany has probably done far most than most to reduce that trade in recent years. Its time now to move on , but its going to look rather silly to historians. since trade with New Iraq will be a bragging point " Hey, we are the ones who sold them the wheat, rebuilt their cities, provided uniforms and training for their new police force and Militia, sold them aircraft and armament for defense." So this better be a peaceful regime change or anyone that helps them will again be in the doghouse Regards Sig @howthewormturns.com