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To: Solon who wrote (6618)	4/7/2003 2:41:29 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 7689

Oh, but there was a "they" there. "They" were the people who stood to benefit by enforcing quotas and pushing aside better qualified candidates.

To: Solon who wrote (6618)	4/8/2003 6:56:34 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 7689

There is no "they" here. There is an "us". No one person did this "fraud", as you call it. It reflects a democratic struggle to balance the rights of individuals with compassion for the group--all within a pragmatic and practical framework. The fraud was neither the framework nor the policies enacted. The fraud was how the democratic framework was convinced to support it. Now I'm not 100% sure it was a fraud but if the plan was from the beginning to support quotas and such but to get them enacted as something less then that then it was fraud. All of which says nothing about the actual merits of the affirmative action itself. I'm against it but both good ideas and bad could be put in place with similar bait and switch tactics. Tim