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To: cnyndwllr who wrote (21453)	4/9/2003 5:14:24 PM
From: kodiak_bull	Respond to of 206097

Ed, The true story will come out over the next few weeks, I'm sure, of taxis, cars and buses commandeered by thugs with guns, of ordinary soldiers named Mahmoud and Yusef who were faced with the prospect of firing on American tanks in front of them or taking a bullet to the back of the head from their captain or lieutenant, and of a good many commanding officers in the Iraqi army and Republican guard who got fragged by their own troops--right before they doffed their fatigues and put on caftans and djellabahs. Yes, I'm sure many of the Iraqi soldiers did die holding impossible or fruitless positions and launching impossible or fruitless attacks on the Coalition, but it was probably because they found themselves in between a very nasty rock and a very unpleasant hard place. Again, we might have 10,000 POWS now, and maybe we've killed another 10,000 (I doubt it, my guess is it's much more likely to be 5,000 or fewer), but what the %$#$ has happened to the other 280,000 Iraqi soldiers? They've vanished, instead of defending their homeland from invaders? Well, it has to be their homeland, so maybe they don't view us as invaders after all? And if the army doesn't view columns of tanks and trucks and marines and GIs as invaders, what does that tell you about the people? How is the sand down there where you insist on inserting your head? Come on up and smell the couscous, amigo. After a night of looting and anger (and killing, don't think there won't be citizen's vengeance on the monsters who tortured them), I expect to see bigger and bigger rallies. And continued confusion, of course. Ed, to a man with a hammer every problem is a nail. To a man with a conspiracy complex and deep distrust of government, every government action is a scheme. As for me, I wasn't scarred by the lies and death of Vietnam; I missed it by 1 year. But I can tell you one thing about the Baghdad video photos this morning--they certainly weren't scripted, or else they would have had thousands there, and it wouldn't have taken the tank rescue vehicle 20 minutes to pull down the statue, and the cameras would have been cued up to have better angles. Even CNN, try as they might, couldn't seem to find a negative, blame America first angle from which to report today's activities.

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (21453)	4/11/2003 10:58:44 PM
From: kodiak_bull	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 206097

Ed: I think it's about time for you to reread this prose piece of yours: "As for the hitting of the statue of Saddam with their shoes, that does have meaning. Its meaning at this point tells us only that two hundred or so people out of a huge city came out and demonstrated their revulsion toward Hussein. They may be representative of the majority, or even a huge majority, of the people of Baghdad, or they may not." Well, today on CNN, MSNBC, Fox, ABC, CBS, and NBC I've seen thousands and thousands of Iraqis, young, old, male, female waving American flags, holding up pictures of George Bush, and desecrating Saddam Hussein's image in every way possible-- So, isn't it about time that you (and Nancy Pelosi, Tom Daschle, David Bonior, Janeanne Garofalo, Alec Baldwin, Sean Penn, Jane Fonda, etc.) said, Jeez, you know what, I was completely, absolutely, without-a-doubt wrong about just about everything? Hokay, I'll be the big guy here. I'll say it. You were completely, absolutely, without-a-doubt wrong about just about everything. Bon weekend, Kb