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To: JohnM who wrote (91803)	4/10/2003 11:47:45 AM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

"a world safe for the US to stay number one." Is that bad? "what they don't want is democracy, meaning voting islamist governments into power in the ME. " Democracy as we define it involves the protection of individual rights which islamic states would also have to protect. Turkey would be a current example of that. Re: iraq the last thing i would expect is an islamic cleric as the new PM. neocons "tend to read it through the eyes of the present Israeli government." There you go again. Neocons are motivated by american interests in the region and when it cooincides with how israelis see it, fine. Or are you saying israelis control US foreign policy in some illicit sort of way?

To: JohnM who wrote (91803)	4/10/2003 1:15:31 PM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

That's the rosiest picture ever drawn of the neocons. Remember "Engine Charlie" Wilson? The former head of GM who was Secretary of Defense? During his conformation hearings, he said, "What is good for America is good for GM. And vice versa." That was immediately turned around by the Media. I got news for you, John. What is "Good for America is good for the World." I know you hate to hear it put that way, but it is true. Freedom, with Peace and Prosperity, is good for everybody.

To: JohnM who wrote (91803)	4/10/2003 10:56:29 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Second, it's safe to assume they want a pacified ME and tend to read it through the eyes of the present Israeli government. John, the canard that the neocons are somehow the creatures of the Likud belongs in the same comforting-but-dumb bin as the all the 'Bush is stupid, he's being led by <fill in the blank>' op-eds. The neocons came to their assessment of the dangers of terrorism, Islamic extremism and the governments that support it well before the current Israeli government was elected. Naturally, this makes them sympathetic to Israeli fears, and unsupportive of the Arafat regime. It does not make them boosters of Greater Israel or any other particular Likud or Moledet policy. Third, what they don't want is democracy, meaning voting islamist governments into power in the ME. That would be democratic right now. But, since that would be counter to US interests, they don't want it. As opposed, say, to being deeply counter to the interests of the people doing the voting, whose perceptions are badly skewed at the moment by being fed a steady diet of lies.