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To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (12433)	4/11/2003 6:15:01 PM
From: 2MAR$	Respond to of 21614

Most of the wars in the region revolve around Israel. The Jew saves the Arab .... from hating themselves . But they do that in any case , and no one here has any idea of the infighting , tribal and factional rivalries and hatreds that evey kid over there grows up with in ritualized violent games . Hate not directed always at the Jew , but just as often for each other . This the Arab knows himself , but wants noone else to know . Hiding behind the fine robes ...

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (12433)	4/11/2003 11:57:11 PM
From: craig crawford	Respond to of 21614

>> Do your friends sink your ships? Or spy on you (Jason Pollard). Israel looks out for Israel's interests first, last, and always. << technically his name is jonathan pollard. a more recent example of israeli spying would be the 200 israeli spies posing as art students quietly deported surrounding the events (before and after) of 9/11. you might want to check out a book by former republican congressman paul findley: They Dare to Speak Out: People and Institutions Confront Israel's Lobby amazon.com by Paul Findley Editorial Reviews The Washington Post "Straightforward and valid." Book Description The first book to speak out against the pervasive influence of the American-Israeli Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) on American politics, policy, and institutions resonates today as never before. With careful documentation and specific case histories, former congressman Paul Findley demonstrates how the Israel lobby helps to shape important aspects of U.S. foreign policy and influences congressional, senatorial, and even presidential elections. Described are the undue influence AIPAC exerts in the Senate and the House and the pressure AIPAC brings to bear on university professors and journalists who seem too sympathetic to Arab and Islamic states and too critical of Israel and its policies. Along with many longtime outspoken critics, new voices speaking out include former President Jimmy Carter, U.S. Representative Cynthia McKinney, Senator Robert Byrd, prominent Arab-American Dr. Ziad Asali, Rabbi Michael Lerner, and journalist Charles Reese. In addition, the lack of open debate among politicians with regard to the U.S. policy in the Middle East is lamented, and AIPAC is blamed in part for this censorship. Connections are drawn between America's unconditional support of Israel and the raging anti-American passions around the world-and ultimately the tragic events of 9/11. About the Author Paul Findley was a congressman from 1961 to 1983, representing the state of Illinois and serving as a senior member of the House Middle East Committee. He is the author of Silent No More: Confronting America's False Images of Islam, Deliberate Deceptions: Facing the Facts About the U.S.-Israeli Relationship, and Abraham Lincoln: The Crucible of Congress. He lives in Jacksonville, Illinois.

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (12433)	4/12/2003 1:06:16 AM
From: AK2004	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 21614

LL re: Yes. They proved that with the USS Liberty, didn't they? I never thought of you as a conspiracy theory wacko but I guess I was wrong. The Liberty incident was tragic yet unintentional. The liberty resembled El-Quesir Egyptian support ship and US did not warn Israelis that their ship would be in the region during the war time. You are turning out to be something else....... re: Most of the wars in the region revolve around Israel. that shows how much you know about the region. re: Self defense. You don't get credit as a good guy for self defense. US attacked iraq to liquidate a potential threat of WMD. Are we (US) no longer good guys in your book? re: Was it? I heard of no such thing. you never heard of potential Iranian attack? re: Do your friends sink your ships? Did not we shot down a brit's aircraft recently? Are brits our enemies now