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To: paul_philp who wrote (92581)	4/12/2003 3:29:03 AM
From: Ilaine	Respond to of 281500

>>CNN is in full tilt quagmire mode tonight.<< I flipped through all the news channels (there are many) that come on at 10:00 p.m. local, to see a photo montage of stentorious voices intoning "chaos" and "anarchy". Got a taste of the BBC sneer at Rummy who said that the above (chaos and anarchy) is exaggerated. Much hooting. By the Beeb at Rummy, I mean. Watched a series of loops on CNN about looting that included footage from two days ago (man taking Uday's white horse, files burning in Uday's basement). It never ends.

To: paul_philp who wrote (92581)	4/12/2003 3:33:08 AM
From: frankw1900	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

CNN is in full tilt quagmire mode tonight. Seems so. I found it interesting to look at the background to a lot of the Baghdad presentations. Lots of traffic and folk going about their business. CNN had a few moments of interest when the British bunch with Fenualla Sweeny interviewed a couple of Arab journalists (Egyptian and Lebanese, i think) in which they said the Arab media had basically shot itself in the foot with its breathless reporting of the hard fight ahead for the Americans, (and the general coverage of Coalition news as only propaganda) and thus built the Arab disbelief when the Iraq regime collapsed so fast. They also said the Arab media must reflect on the fact that they are going to be believed as little as the governments, given that CNN and all the rest is no longer in the control of the information ministers. They also said that Arabs outside Iraq took the defeat far harder than the Iraqis who clearly were overjoyed to see the end of the monstrous regime. All in all a shocking moment for the Arab world equal to that of the 67 War. They also said that regimes in the area were nervous for themselves after the Iraq downfall. I should think the US will find its influence in the area increasing.

To: paul_philp who wrote (92581)	4/12/2003 12:23:36 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

To the thread. Paul has it all wrong, once again. He's worried that FADG is filled with anti-American posters. Wrong. Two points. First, about tokenism and visual representation. In my field, sociology, there is an often remarked upon phenomena. When a token element in a population, say a group of women in a large population of men, let's say women are 5%, doubles, goes to something like 10%, men see it as a much larger event. The men don't see 10%, they see a great many more women, tend to think of themselves as "overwhelmed" by women, and become defensive. Second, the stuff I read last night was not so much anti-American, whatever that means, as critical of the foreign policy of the Bush administration. That's definitely not anti-American. Were the Republican Party's criticisms of the Clinton administration's foreign policy moves in Kosovo, Bosnia, Haiti, and others, anti-American? I think not. It's precisely like saying that criticism of the Sharon government's actions are anti-semitic.