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To: Wyätt Gwyön who wrote (31478)	4/14/2003 3:26:12 PM
From: MSI	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

major conspiracy theories...would require an extreme, unhuman level of competence to pull off Unfortunately, not really. All it takes is a known willingness to terminate whistleblowers, and the level of control already in place when the Church Committee looked at the media in '75. The media can report, or "unreport" almost anything. Congress since before and after the Church Committee has been nearly useless. Just one small example to illustrate the point - last June 10th a group including familes of 9/11 and investigators from www.unansweredquestions.org held a press conference at the Nat'l Press Club. Suddenly, from Moscow, 9 timezones away, Ashcroft announces a phony "dirty bomber" story, coincidently just 2 hours before the press conference was to start, which would have been covered by CSPAN and CNN, and would have been a serious problem for legislation pending before Congress at that time. Needless to say, no one covered the press conference. The rest of the media was overwhelmed by the phony story about an arrest that occurred a month earlier of an individual who had no capabilities and only a tenuous connection via some conversations with someone else, who may have been irrelevant as well. A completely transparent disruption of the news clearly targeted at Congressional legislation and torpedoing the 9/11 investigation, and yet still not reported by any mainstream press to this day. No, the bad guys aren't omnipotent, and there are 500 times more of us regular people than them. But there is unconstitutional level of control over media, and concealment of the public's funds and politician's actions

To: Wyätt Gwyön who wrote (31478)	4/16/2003 9:57:54 AM
From: Moominoid	Respond to of 74559

The same right wing people who believe that government is incompetent to provide any services believe it is competent to do conspiracies.... The worst case scenario I think for 9/11 is looking the other way, like in 1990 when Saddam asked the US ambassador about his dispute with Kuwait. The lack of the reaction of the officials noted initially would tend to show that they didn't understand what was happening. The BBC which I was listening to live first thought a small commuter plane may have hit the WTC by accident.... it was only when the second plane struck that they understood what was happening. I don't know that the military were likely much better. Again I tend to believe screw ups are more likely than conspiracies. Same in Iraq in all the recent disorder. I am still very skeptical of developments going forward there from everything I've seen. David